Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 03:40 pm
Who actually - besides me - did read that report? (Le développement de l'islam fondamentaliste en france : aspects sécuritaires, économiques et sociaux

Interesting as well Eric Denécé's opinion re the London attack and if such could happen in France, connections etc: «Si les Anglais n'ont pas prévu ces attentats, probablement personne d'autre n'aurait pu le faire»

Nevertheless, Denéc' is not only a strong anti-communist/anti-socialist but a well known Islamophobic
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 04:03 pm
Eric Denece,an ex-intelligence analyst, was, btw, the person who declared on the French Canal 5 political tv show "C dans l'air" in September 2004 that Osama Bin Laden had again been recently "visually" spotted and identified by French special forces on the ground. On informing US high command, French forces have been instructed to suspend and hold all further operations to either capture Bin Laden or maintain monitoring.

Eric Denece suggested that the Pentagon had a lock on Bin Laden's exact location and that capturing him was only a matter of decision.


http://www.france5.fr/cdanslair/006721/11/116957.cfm
http://www.france5.fr/cdanslair/006721/11/116958.cfm
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 04:09 pm
surely you dont mean bin Laden is being used for political purposes?

I've said for years that they know exactly where he is, probably in a CIA safe house by the side of lake Geneva, filing his nails.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 05:52 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Thanks nimh, had some difficulty with the big foreign words.

Rolling Eyes

The summaries are for those who dont want to read the whole thing, duh. You copy-paste a whole article, noone reads it. Its a kind of teaser to pull you in. Also service to the public, kinda (arent people railing about integral copy/pastes all the time?) - you can quickly check whether theres something in it for you.

But hey, no need to thank me.

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Molly Moore's piece is evidence for nothing at all except as we say in these parts, the bleeding obvious.

Well, its not obvious for those who insist that there needs to be some overarching Islamist comspiracy with religious ardor firing the rioters on to explain why, gosh, riots like these could happen, apparently.

The reasons why riots like these could happen ARE bleeding obvious, yeah, thats what I'd say, anyway. But apparently they're not to others: they need poligamy, or Hizb-i-Tahar-like groups to explain the riots. Even if any kind of widespread evidence of those motivations is largely missing, whereas the obvious, as outlined once more in Moore's pieces, is right there in front of you.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 05:54 pm
Thanks, JW. I'm sure he'll find a way to pretend this doesn't say what it says, as well.
__________________________

JustWonders wrote:
Fundamentalism in French Workplace


Private employers wrestle with expressions of Islam, while study alleges criminal links.
Quote:
This is exactly the **** what I said.


On a more sinister level, the study asserts that Islamic networks are trying to establish a presence in firms involved in sectors such as security, cargo, armored cars, courier services and transportation. Once they gain a foothold, operatives raise funds for militants via theft, embezzlement and robbery, the study alleges.

"Parallel to these sect-like risks, the spread of criminal practices has been detected in the heart of companies [with] two goals: crime using Islam as a pretext; and in addition, local financing of terrorism," concludes the study by the Center for Intelligence Research in Paris.

[...]
Conversions also result from militant recruiting in workplacesSome were concerned about being called racists."

Quote:
I can understand that. I said the same thing this article does--and was called xenophobic and the usual litany...


Denece's study cites a case examined in 2004 by Renseignements Generaux, the domestic intelligence agency, involving the discovery of "about 10 clandestine prayer rooms" on the grounds of Euro Disney.

"I thought it was exaggerated to talk about prayer rooms," Boterman said. "During Ramadan, they took a few minutes to pray somewhere. We made it clear that we thought the work floor was not the place to express your personal religion."

The report describes a case in which police investigated a cargo company at Charles de Gaulle International Airport with about 3,000 employees. Managers complained that a small group of radicals had tried to gain influence by preaching to co-workers and threatening repeated strikes. Some of the activists "expressed satisfaction" with the Sept. 11 attacks, the report says.

The French intelligence official confirmed that authorities closely monitor the notable presence of Muslim fundamentalists among the many immigrant employees at the airport.

In 2002, a 27-year-old systems engineer working in the airport's control tower was abruptly barred from secure areas. Police had discovered that he was a devout disciple of a radical imam and frequented militant mosques here, in his native Morocco and in the Middle East. The Iraqi-born imam is now under house arrest, accused of hate speech.

"There are worries about the presence of extremists at the airport," the intelligence official said. "There was no link found to violent jihad groups, but [the engineer] was certainly very active in a fundamentalist movement with anti-Western, anti-American ideas. Because of the particularly sensitive job he had, a decision was made, in the name of caution, to reassign him."

Nonetheless, the intelligence official took issue with parts of the think tank report. Hard-core networks often finance themselves through small businesses and the underworld, he said.

"The most radical extremists tend to exclude themselves from corporate employment because of their dress, their behavior," the intelligence official said. "They have to resort to small business, the ethnic economy. A lot of financing comes from traffic in fake papers and armed robbery."

In fact, Denece also discusses the emergence of "gangsterrorism," in which extremists team with mafias for mutual gain. But the private sector faces a more subtle and slippery challenge from nonviolent militants, the report says.

Executives say pressure groups in supermarkets and other companies advance oppressive ideological agendas: They pressure co-workers to wear religious garb, defy the authority of female managers and demand boycotts of products such as alcohol, pork, Israeli oranges and American brownies, Denece said.

"For French companies, the rise in power of radical Islam represents a new threat," the report states. "This trend expresses above all a move to take control of behavior and ideas of other workers in order to impose a value system conforming to extremist ideology."



This is the point I made, whether it was accepted, or not. These things ARE happening, and employers are wary--and it is understandable--due to the crap they're trying to pull. The normal Muslims are suffering due to these types.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 06:22 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Who actually - besides me - did read that report? (Le développement de l'islam fondamentaliste en france : aspects sécuritaires, économiques et sociaux

Interesting as well Eric Denécé's opinion re the London attack and if such could happen in France, connections etc: «Si les Anglais n'ont pas prévu ces attentats, probablement personne d'autre n'aurait pu le faire»

Nevertheless, Denéc' is not only a strong anti-communist/anti-socialist but a well known Islamophobic


I went looking for it, found a pdf version but only the summary was in English and it didn't appear to say what that editorial seems to think it says. But alas, I don't read French so I'm in the dark.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 28 Nov, 2005 06:26 pm
nimh wrote:
The summaries are for those who dont want to read the whole thing, duh. You copy-paste a whole article, noone reads it. Its a kind of teaser to pull you in. Also service to the public, kinda (arent people railing about integral copy/pastes all the time?) - you can quickly check whether theres something in it for you.


the summaries are for me to read at work while I'm listening to people fuss on the phone

the original/full articles are to read when I get home - if I'm still keen

so - thank you!
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Misspatatra
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 02:22 pm
ehBeth wrote:
nimh wrote:
The summaries are for those who dont want to read the whole thing, duh. You copy-paste a whole article, noone reads it. Its a kind of teaser to pull you in. Also service to the public, kinda (arent people railing about integral copy/pastes all the time?) - you can quickly check whether theres something in it for you.


the summaries are for me to read at work while I'm listening to people fuss on the phone

the original/full articles are to read when I get home - if I'm still keen

so - thank you!

the summaries are also for new members ... :wink: thx
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 11:48 am
For tomorrow, December 31 ("Saint-Sylvestre") more than 16,000 addtional policemen and gendarmes are called on duty, summing up the total police force in France on special duty to 25,000 persons.

Paris alone is guarded by 4,500 gendarmes and policemen; 22 security and aid posts are installed along the Champs-Ellysées; 250 police motor-cycles will patrol through the French capital; bangers are officially forbidden.
Source: Le Monde


Let's hope, nothing serious will happen.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 02:35 am
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/631/clipboard13bw.jpg

source: Le Parisien, 31 decembre 2005, page 2.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 03:06 am
Quote:
France on New Year alert for renewed bout of riots

By John Lichfield
Published: 31 December 2005

Sales of petrol in cans have been banned in Paris and other French cities as France prepares for a possible New Year's Eve resurgence of last month's suburban riots.

Violence and car burning on 31 December has become a macabre tradition in France in recent years. The authorities fear that multiracial gangs of youths in poor suburbs may use the festivities tonight to resume the violent confrontations which destroyed 12,000 cars and scores of public buildings in November.

New Year's Eve is one of the nights when young people from the deprived suburbs traditionally pour into Paris, taunting police and causing minor scuffles. More than 4,500 police officers and gendarmes will be mobilised to protect the capital, especially the Avenue des Champs Elysées, where large crowds of Parisians and tourists are expected to gather to welcome 2006. Although the authorities have said they have no firm warnings of any plans to foment violence, there will be a heavy police presence at the suburban stations of the Metro and the RER regional train network. Any groups of youths heading towards central Paris will be watched closely and denied access to the city if necessary.

All sales of petrol in cans have been banned in Paris and many other areas of France in an attempt to prevent a reprise of the orgy of random car burning which marked the riots in November. On New Year's Eve last year, 330 cars were set on fire across France. This compares with an average of 100 cars burnt on a "normal" day in the country. At the height of last month's riots, 2,400 cars were burnt in one night.

The Paris Préfecture de Police said its officers would be ordered to avoid unnecessary confrontation but would be expected "to dissuade and repress" all acts of violence. This might involve taking pre-emptive action if necessary.

The Interior Minister, Nicolas Sarkozy, who was blamed by some for provoking last month's riots by describing violent, suburban gangs as "scum", will take personal command of the security arrangements in the capital. He will be spending most of tonight in the Centre Opérationnel, incident control room, at the ministry. M. Sarkozy is expected to make a public appearance (televised, no doubt) at a place of heightened tension some time during the evening.

The November riots were provoked by the deaths of two teenagers who had climbed into an electricity sub-station to try to escape a police check.

Since the violence subsided, France has examined its national conscience on the racism, social exclusion and poor education faced by many young people living in the multiracial banlieues, or suburbs, of French towns and cities. The riots have also led to a new political awareness in the suburbs themselves. According to a survey conducted by the newspaper Le Monde, town halls in poor suburbs have been besieged by young people wanting to register to vote before the next presidential election in 2007.
Source
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 03:13 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Quote:
Sales of petrol cans have been banned in Paris....


Since there's no more shortage in beer cans...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 03:35 am
You can blame les Boches/the Fritz' :wink:

http://charcell.club.fr/planet1/F1/C3321201.jpg
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 03:42 am
Fritz are not blameworthy for doing such bier...
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 08:29 am
Quote:
On New Year's Eve last year, 330 cars were set on fire across France. This compares with an average of 100 cars burnt on a "normal" day in the country. At the height of last month's riots, 2,400 cars were burnt in one night.


Poor France.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 08:31 am
JustWonders wrote:
Poor France.


Thank you, JW, for your heartfelt concern...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 08:39 am
JustWonders wrote:

Poor France.


At least, the "ritual car burnings" are more than just a bad tradition.

We got similar with the "Chaos days", high peak ar May 1 in Berlin.
Only immense police presence and 'zero-tolerance' could stop that.

And look at the (especially British) football "supporters", leaving a spur of devastation.

You can be glad that you don't know such violance in the USA.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 09:58 am
Francis wrote:
Thank you, JW, for your heartfelt concern...


Francis - you're most welcome.

Walter wrote:
You can be glad that you don't know such violance in the USA.


The difference is in the resolution. We don't torch our automobiles, preferring instead to resolve our issues with guns, lawyers, or therapists...generally in that order Smile
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 31 Dec, 2005 10:18 am
You reap what you sow. The problems with the, suppose you can call them, outcasts in French society has been swept under the carpet for a long time and allowed to fester. It was bound to explode eventually.The question now is how the french deal with it. Will it be with the iron fist or velvet glove?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 01:56 am
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4759/clipboard13ym.jpg


Had been calm in France last night, even in Strasbourg*, where generally have been soe severe riots during the last couple of day at New Year's Eve/New Year's Day

http://medias.lemonde.fr/mmpub/edt/ill/2006/01/01/h_9_ill_726202_31dec.jpg
Strasbourg last night


'Just' 137 cars burnt in the Ile-de-France region (143 last year), and none in Paris.

*In Alsace, in both departments only 5 cars burnt.
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