Riots in France

well actually Finn, I started the a2k seminars behind your back only because I was interested in your ability to discern intellectual integrity by noticing the had worn by individual posters. Quite remarkable really. Do you also do phrenololgy and palm readings? Are your name changes due to staying one step ahead of a shoeshine? Was your mother actually a virgin at your birth? Finally, will your socks ever match?

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dyslexia wrote:

well actually Finn, I started the a2k seminars behind your back only because I was interested in your ability to discern intellectual integrity by noticing the had worn by individual posters. Quite remarkable really. Do you also do phrenololgy and palm readings? Are your name changes due to staying one step ahead of a shoeshine? Was your mother actually a virgin at your birth? Finally, will your socks ever match?

Name changes?

My socks always match.

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dyslexia wrote:

well actually Finn, I started the a2k seminars behind your back only because I was interested in your ability to discern intellectual integrity by noticing the had worn by individual posters. Quite remarkable really. Do you also do phrenololgy and palm readings? Are your name changes due to staying one step ahead of a shoeshine? Was your mother actually a virgin at your birth? Finally, will your socks ever match?

What in the hell is the point of this screed???? I don't think Finn had done anything to merit it and believe you are a bit off the mark here.

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Finn, I am interested in what appears to be the fear exhibited by the group referenced by Dyslexia. I have, with good reason, I believe, always put my trust in the fact that in the marketplace of ideas, good ones will inexorably drive out and destroy inferior ideas.

Only intellectual fascists choose to attempt to muzzle those who do not agree with them!

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george and bernard

Don't be so hard on old dys.

Whether or not I deserve a screed is of little importance - at least to me. I can appreciate an attempt to police the civility level of this forum, but, afterall, it is cyberspace and we are annonymous avatars.

It's quite unlikely that I will be muzzled by any poster or group of posters on A2K. This isn't bravado, merely fact. If it were at all possible to muzzle someone in this forum, I would have clamped the device on any number of idiots.

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More Cars Burned

So what are the "youths" pissed off about now?

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SierraSong wrote:

So what are the "youths" pissed off about now?

When you'd read the report from your link, you would know it:

Quote:

The youths began burning cars in reaction to a police operation in which a young man was arrested several hours earlier.

Btw: why did you write youth in double quote? Any info that it were adults or little children?

Besides, if this thread is thaught to document any ruckus in France ...

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A little more info HERE:

Seems they think the mayor is a "son of a bitch" LOL. Translation: let's go burn some cars.

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Right, it was just something local - didn't even get much notice in today's French papers.

French comments focus on that the mayor of Montfermeil created a "factor of violence".

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Finn- I find it very interesting that some posters appear to react to arguments by using Ad Hominem attacks, making comments that have nothing to do with the substance of the post and seeming to be frightened of attempting to meet a documented and referenced argument with a documented and referenced rebuttal.

I would have thought, since some of these posters seem to feel that they have "the correct unassailable position" on almost every argument, that they would easily be able to meet the positions made with their irrefutable truths, thereby destroying the "lies" and prevailing in the argument.

Instead, some seem to insist on the Ad Hominem approach.

How sad and revelatory!!!

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If the police doesn't change their tactics and if Sarkozy doesn't react politically any better ... well, the "ambiance is electric" as the press noted today.

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BernardR wrote:

Finn- I find it very interesting that some posters appear to react to arguments by using Ad Hominem attacks, making comments that have nothing to do with the substance of the post and seeming to be frightened of attempting to meet a documented and referenced argument with a documented and referenced rebuttal.

I would have thought, since some of these posters seem to feel that they have "the correct unassailable position" on almost every argument, that they would easily be able to meet the positions made with their irrefutable truths, thereby destroying the "lies" and prevailing in the argument.

Instead, some seem to insist on the Ad Hominem approach.

How sad and revelatory!!!

Apparently you are referring to BernardR who started all this and just can't bring himself to let go.

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Still a lot of tension in Montfermail ...

... but it seems, to be one of those more locally situated "car-burning-and-police-bashing-places".

Bad, nevertheless.

(Interestingly, one of the arrested youths yesterday was together with the one killed (that's why earlier riots started) exactly in that transformer building.)

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I know that GeorgeOb1 is very perceptive, erudite and honest/ Therefore, I am asking him if he will please examine my posts on this thread to find any AdHominem comments I have made.

If he finds some, I will apoligize,but since I am unaware of having made such comments, I do not think I will have to do so.

George Ob1 may not have the time or the inclination but if he decides to surf these threads, he will find a great many Ad Hominems directed at me.

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In 1998 the French celebrated joyously when their multi-ethnic squad won the World Cup. But in the eight years since, the country has been riven by racial tension, and that sense of national unity is a distant memory.

From today's The Observer

Online version to be found here: France: a country of two halves

Yet despite all the infighting and the doubt and the self-questioning and politicisation, the fact remains that France has cast off the gloom that has shrouded the nation for months and is basking in an unexpected outburst of solidarity, patriotism and pride, perhaps all the more powerful for being, depending on what happens this evening, transient.

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It is not Ad Hominem to quote History-Especially History written by people who have been highly praised by their peers---

It would appear that one of the French problems throughout the years has been their "internal strife" and "defeatism"

William L. Shirer clearly documents the fact that the French Army could have made mincemeat out of the small German force which marched into the Rhineland. Alas, they did not. As Shirer writes---But the French, their nation already paralyzed by internal strife and the people sinking into defeatism, did not realize that they could have beaten back the German forces. Shirer reports that General Jodl testified at the Nuremberg trials that "The French covering Army could have blown us to pieces". Indeed, Hitler himself indicated that "a retreat on our part would have spelled collapse."

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I doubt that your response is related to my quote above, but who knows?

Thanks anyway.

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It is related to your post, Mr. Hinteler, because the same Defeatism and Internal Strife referred to by Mr. Shirer are key elements in creating the gloom mentioned in your article.
When the French become smart enough to throw off the shackles of debilitating Socialism and really adopt American style Capitalism and entrepreneurship, they will perk up and lost their gloom and defeatism.

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Hmm, but I sincerely doubt that more American style capitalism will please every football fan - not only in France.

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Are you talking about Football or Soccer? There is a difference!

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