Riots in France

Isn't there something particularly ironic about a Hun being such a Francophile?

But then there are Yankee Francophiles as well (who were born long after France came to the aide of the American colonies in order to stick it too their cross channel nemesis) who defy historical realities in their penchant for all things French. That they typically tend to find their native land rather crude is no great surprise.

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Lash wrote:

It's interesting that you label him anti-American.

Well, at least that was generally the impression I've got when he and his boss Chirac were mentioned here by American conservatives.

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Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Isn't there something particularly ironic about a Hun being such a Francophile?

No idea what you are talking about. :wink:

(I've no relation at all with any Hun, they were never around here within travel distance.)

I don't think that I'm particular francophile at all - Anglophon, yes.
It's just that I'm more informed about and interested in a neighbouring country than it is common in the USA.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Isn't there something particularly ironic about a Hun being such a Francophile?

No idea what you are talking about. :wink:

(I've no relation at all with any Hun, they were never around here within travel distance.)

I don't think that Iamb particular francophile at all - Anglophone, yes.
It's just that I'm more informed about and interested in a neighboring country than it is common in the USA.

Oh yes, how insensitive and historically inaccurate of me to refer to a German as a Hun, Jerry, Otto, Fritz, or Kraut. Germans embraced a militaristic policy and never accepted public genocide. Right?

Anglophone = You speak English.

Francophile = You love all things French. ---It is disturbing to think that any Anglophone or Anglophile might find his or her way to Francophilia.

What you think of yourself is, in a business context, immaterial Walter.

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Fiin, I'm travelling per year as often to England as to France, speakk English much better than me (rudimental) French.

I'm a member of the Fabian Society (the Labour Party doesn't offer membership for non-British and non-Irish).

I'm not sure, what militaristic policy and the Holocaust had to do with me as a person and my travels to neighbouring countries and/or my knowledge about their history and politivs, culture etc - but if it's to please your prejudices: fine with me.

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They New York Times has a good report about the "casseurs" ('smashers') - most of you call rioters and lump together with the demonstrators:

Violent Youths Threaten to Hijack Demonstrations in Paris

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Le Parien in today's issue

printed the opnions of the French youth/students, collected at various university blogs and by questioning som dozens.
Too much to translate, but summed up, they just say: we wnat to integrate in the society and get a job. And the new law will won't help with that.

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Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Oh yes, how insensitive and historically inaccurate of me to refer to a German as a Hun, Jerry, Otto, Fritz, or Kraut. Germans embraced a militaristic policy and never accepted public genocide. Right?

So, I was following this very interesting thread, when all of a sudden somebody stormed in and declared that shoving as many derogatory terms into one sentence as possible is

Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

business context

That's how you are doing business, Finn? Lovely.

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Well, oe, our German Nazis troops are about to land on Miami Beach shortly. I mean those, who weren't eaten up by some witches and escaped like Hänsel and Gretel or asphyxiated themselves with sauerkraut and sausages.

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Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Isn't there something particularly ironic about a Hun being such a Francophile?

No idea what you are talking about. :wink:

(I've no relation at all with any Hun, they were never around here within travel distance.)

I don't think that Iamb particular francophile at all - Anglophone, yes.
It's just that I'm more informed about and interested in a neighboring country than it is common in the USA.

Oh yes, how insensitive and historically inaccurate of me to refer to a German as a Hun, Jerry, Otto, Fritz, or Kraut. Germans embraced a militaristic policy and never accepted public genocide. Right?

Anglophone = You speak English.

Francophile = You love all things French. ---It is disturbing to think that any Anglophone or Anglophile might find his or her way to Francophilia.

What you think of yourself is, in a business context, immaterial Walter.

What's up Finn? Had to make do with self love today?

Walter, in my observation, hasn't made any comment that would indicate that he is a Francophile. Even if he had, what point were you trying to make?
<note to Finn.....WW2 finished over 60 years ago! >

Walter is pretty good at finding news links about certain issues, and posting them on A2K for all of us to read, to help us be better informed about political situations in other countries.

I, for one, find a lot of his items very interesting and am grateful that he shares them with me.

Then you come along with an apparent attitude that suggests that anyone who dares to post news or comment about another country, is ripe for personal insult, derision and criticism.

Quite bewildering, and totally uncalled for.

If I had been such a blundering oaf, I would have apologised by now.

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Finn d'Abuzz wrote:

Francophile = You love all things French. ---It is disturbing to think that any Anglophone or Anglophile might find his or her way to Francophilia.

I am born and bred English, and love my country, yet I am also 99% Francophile. It's only their leader(s) that I don't particularly like.

I hope this disturbs you.

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One thing I have learnt in life is that there is a certain type of person who gets great enjoyment out of farting in an elevator and then buggering off, leaving others to endure the nasty smell.

They get off on it in a warped kind of a way, I suppose.

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It seems to me that Finn - an otherwise balanced and interesting contributor here - made an awkward joke that didn't work, and then compounded the misstep with a bit of belligerence. However the reactions from both Walter and Lord Elpus seem both uncharacteristic of their normal good-natured maturity and far out of proportion to the offense.

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georgeob1 wrote:

It seems to me that Finn made an awkward joke that didn't work, and then compounded the misstep with a bit of belligerence. However the reactions from both Walter and Lord Elpus seem both uncharacteristic of their normal maturity and far out of proportion to the offense.

I've read it again georgob. Don't agree.

Read the top four posts on Page 31, and tell me how Walter warranted such nastiness.

Walter has been TOO polite, methinks.

If someone is being an arsehole, I will tell them so.

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Thanks, LE.

georgeob1 wrote:

However the reactions from both Walter and Lord Elpus seem both uncharacteristic of their normal good-natured maturity and far out of proportion to the offense.

Well, George, I here as well I agree with LE: I neither typed what I thought nor did I post what I wrote the first time.

If this was an awkward joke - I'm glad, I didn't post mine since I would have to regret it.

Opposite to your opinion, I do still think that someone is of that kind would LE wrote not so gentleman-like.

But thre are two worse here, I agree.

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Lord Ellpus wrote:

I've read it again georgob. Don't agree.

Read the top four posts on Page 31, and tell me how Walter warranted such nastiness.

Walter has been TOO polite, methinks.

If someone is being an arsehole, I will tell them so.

Walter is indeed very polite, but he knows how to make his points despite it. But he was more restrained than you - as you said. I just don't think the offense was so great. (Equivalent things said about my country here are so frequent as to go unnoticed.) We all have arsehole tendencies that show themselves occasionally. I think there were several sources of flatulence in the elevator.

I say this with no malice at all towards either you or walter. I consider you both to be friends.

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georgeob1 wrote:

Lord Ellpus wrote:

I've read it again georgob. Don't agree.

Read the top four posts on Page 31, and tell me how Walter warranted such nastiness.

Walter has been TOO polite, methinks.

If someone is being an arsehole, I will tell them so.

Walter is indeed very polite, but he knows how to make his points despite it. But he was more restrained than you - as you said. I just don't think the offense was so great. (Equivalent things said about my country here are so frequent as to go unnoticed.) We all have arsehole tendencies that show themselves occasionally. I think there were several sources of flatulence in the elevator.

I say this with no malice at all towards either you or walter. I consider you both to be friends.

I wouldn't have minded so much if the remark was against a country, George, but this was interpreted by me as being a personal belittling of Walter.
...and he's a nice guy, who I would defend again, in exactly the same way.

Finn comes across as someone who is normally on a very high horse.

I usually avoid him, and probably will in future. Just wanted to stick up for Walter, who was working hard on this thread and was mugged by a pillock.

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St. Denis is not only the home of a couple of kings, considered by the French is theirs and the Germans as ours - the biggest Hun amongst them, Charles,agene, is of course buried in Krautland - but also of some thousands of demonstrators (Université Paris 8) and rioters ("suburbian").

The Elysee has announced that Chirac will speak to the French nation tomorrow at 20 hours on all tv and radio channels.

This came shortly after the Constitutional Council valided the CPE without reservations.
Now the French president has nine days to promulgate the law. He can also ask to the Parliament for the second consideration, in application of the article 10 of the Constitution.

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I'm sure your intentions were good. I may have more confidence in Walter's ability to defend himself than perhaps you do. Those Westphalians are very polite, but are able to get some very lethal jabs through all the sweetness.

Perhaps I should have kept my mouth shut.

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Sorry, I forgot to mention that I also like you georgob, as you talk a lot of sense, even though our political leanings may differ somewhat.

I now hope that Walter isn't deterred from posting more updates on this subject.

Sorry for prolonging the sidetracking, Walt.

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