Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 01:00 am
From the Independent

Quote:

Cars and shops set ablaze as Paris riots continue
By John Lichfield in Paris
Published: 24 March 2006

[...]
Scores of hooded youths ran riot around Les Invalides after a tense, but mostly peaceful, march protesting at the law passed by the Prime Minister, Dominique de Villepin, making it easier to hire, and fire, people under 26.
...


Multi-racial gangs of youths, mostly from the deprived Paris suburbs, had earlier charged through the protest march, smashing car windows and beating up other demonstrators who refused to hand over their mobile telephones.

As the official protest ended, these youths, not the main bulk of the marchers, confronted riot police and tried to occupy the large open space in front of the golden-domed Invalides building in the heart of Paris. Several cars were set-alight and the windows of a car-hire office smashed.

...
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 01:02 am
The public reaction in France seems - to me at least - to be grossly out of proportion to the presumed cause. Very strange.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 01:08 am
I could imagine a similar reaction in other European countries.

Although I admit that the "strike culture" of the French (and Italians) isn't "developed" so much elsewhere.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 02:49 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I could imagine a similar reaction in other European countries.


Germany? Poland? UK? Norway? Russia?\

(Even the italians wouldn't continue this foolishness for more than a few hours.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 03:02 am
Well, George, if such really happened here - and we are going towards it - I don't know.

Latest poll results for France:


http://i1.tinypic.com/s45953.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 03:12 am
The Parisien titles today in the frontpage:

http://i1.tinypic.com/s45737.jpg


"The CPE is dead ... but the rioters continue" (NB: referring to the rioters, not the demonstrators!)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 06:53 am
Villepin will speak only to the unions this afternoon (about the CPE). The student organisations will be received for their part on Monday it was confirmed this noon by the Hôtel Matignon.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 08:53 am
georgeob1 wrote:
The public reaction in France seems - to me at least - to be grossly out of proportion to the presumed cause. Very strange.

Walter Hinteler wrote:
I could imagine a similar reaction in other European countries.

I dont think it could happen like that easily in many other countries (not Holland, anyway), but I dont think its very strange either - hey, its the French. Mr. Green

There's a certain cult of strident radicalism that you just dont have (anymore) in most Northern or Central European countries... Italy, yeah, perhaps, or Greece ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 08:55 am
Oops, of course, I forgot to name Greece.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 08:56 am
New, related thread:

In France, an anti-semitic black comedian stokes youth anger

Quote:

Summary:

Quote:
Dieudonné's one-man comedy show is all the rage in Paris but his act is virulently anti-semitic, exploiting the anger that exploded among young Arabs and blacks in the suburbs last autumn. Now he is talking about running for the Presidency. Until a couple of years ago, Dieudonné M'bala M'bala was a kind of French Lenny Henry, his comedy corrosive, satirical but good humoured. Since 2002, he has become a kind of French Louis Farrakhan. This month, he was found guilty of "incitement to racial hatred". But a phone-in opinion poll of Skyrock, a radio station popular with the urban and suburban young, had him coming in second, with 26%, to Jean-Marie Le Pen (29%).

Dieudonné brings together many of the poisonous issues in French politics and society: the contempt of many young people for mainstream politics; the shattering of the political consensus into tribal extremes of right and left; the racial and social exclusion and suppressed violence of the multi-racial suburbs. Most of all, however, Dieudonné has come to symbolise the rise of a "new anti-Semitism" among Arab and black youths and on the "white" far left.


Full story and additional info in the thread.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:01 am
nimh wrote:
There's a certain cult of strident radicalism that you just dont have (anymore) in most Northern or Central European countries...


This reminds me about that episode in the 60's when my express-train stopped between two Hampshire villages because the conductor suddenly noticed that there weren't two additional red emergency signal flags on the train. (But we had a brakeperson on board.)

(The second pair of flags was needed, if the first became dirty or something like that. No-one ever could explain why a brakeperson had to be there ... useless in trains since the 20's, even in England.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 02:46 pm
The talks between de Villepin and trade union leaders over the First Employment Contract (CPE) labor ended in deadlock with the government continuing to insist that it will not withdraw the law, although it might amend it.
De Villepin (still) appears to have the support of Chirac.
Observers had seen the Friday talks as a first step towards possible compromise, but labor leaders said their meeting with the government that no further talks were planned.

The nationwide strike is still scheduled for March 28.

And at the EU-summit EURO group president and Luxemburg's Prime Minister ...

Quote:
Juncker also criticized the French government's plan to introduce a new
youth work contract, saying the measure would introduce an unacceptable level of
precariousness for workers.
The launch of the First Employment Contract (CPE), a temporary two-year
contract that can be revoked at will by the employer, has generated massive
protests among students and labour unions over the past days.
"If my father, who worked in a steel mile, had had a temporary contract
renewable every six months, I would never have been able to study law in
Strasbourg. Because people with modest incomes have to calculate. They don't
have money to throw out the window," Juncker said.
"Making a full-time work contract the exception, something out of the
ordinary, is a solution that will lead us straight into a wall," he said.
source: AFX
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 05:57 pm
From an article on the thread---Multi-racial gangs of youths, mostly from the deprived Paris suburbs, had earlier charged through the protest march, smashing car windows and beating up other demonstrators who refused to hand over their mobile telephones.

______________________

The two groups of "youths" don't seem to be sympatico.

They should hire people who want to work to replace the strikers.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 09:21 pm
The Luxemburg PM's words were interesting. His view apparently is that salaried employees should not face the risk of unemployment: the government should itself bear this risk - or at least protect them from it. The problem is that investors of capital enjoy no such protection. Investment will shrink and capital will seek better conditions elsewhere. Government of course will work hard to prevent this. Eventually the overburdened house of cards will collapse.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 07:56 am
Now, it gets really serious - says not only the 'Parsisien':

http://i1.tinypic.com/s5y4xv.jpg

About 2.000 rioters (outside/along/after the student demonstrations) did quite a lot of demages yesterday, in Paris

http://i1.tinypic.com/s5y8sy.jpg

but in the banlieu e.g. Saint-Denis as well

http://i1.tinypic.com/s5y9fp.jpg



Today, the students organisations as well as the pupils and schools associations refused the dialogue with Villepin as long as the new law is there.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Mar, 2006 01:03 pm
And again, interior minister Sarkozy is attacking his Premier from behind.


Quote:
France's Sarkozy calls for compromise over jobs law
Sat Mar 25, 2006

By Thierry Leveque


PARIS (Reuters) - France's interior minister on Saturday urged the government to find a compromise to defuse a crisis over a new youth labor law that has triggered mass protests and sporadic riots.

Nicolas Sarkozy, a self-declared candidate for the 2007 presidential elections, expressed understanding for the young demonstrators in a speech at a meeting of his UMP party.

"Twenty years of mass unemployment, 15 years of mediocre economic growth, 10 years of sluggish purchasing power, seven political changes since 1981 -- how can we blame the young for saying out loud what their parents think?" he said.

Sarkozy was clearly seeking to distance himself from Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, who is also expected to run in next year's election and who held unsuccessful talks with labor union leaders on the row on Friday.

"Knowing to find a compromise, that is being courageous and useful to France. That is what the UMP demands and expects," Sarkozy said.

"When young people see (the law) as unjust, it is necessary to remove misunderstandings by organizing the conditions for dialogue and compromise," he added.

The row over the CPE First Job Contract, which allows employers to fire people under 26 without giving a reason during a two-year trial period, is one of the biggest crises in Villepin's 10-month administration.

In a setback for Villepin, most student leaders refused to come to a meeting he had called for Saturday.

Of seven student leaders, three went inside for talks while the others held a brief news conference in front of Villepin's Matignon office, calling for the withdrawal of the law proposal and for a massive turnout at planned protests on Tuesday.

Villepin said he wanted to find a solution via dialogue.

"I want to respond to the two main preoccupations of the young about the CPE -- the period of two years and the conditions of ending the contract," he said after the talks, adding more meetings with the students were planned next week.

PM UNDER PRESSURE

Villepin, who rammed the measure through parliament, says the CPE will help cut youth unemployment of around 23 percent.

Opponents say the contract will create a generation of throwaway young workers with no job security.

Last Thursday, rampaging youths torched cars, looted shops and robbed student demonstrators at the end of protest marches in Paris and major provincial cities.

Signaling splits within the government, Sarkozy on Thursday called for a six-month trial period for the CPE, which has highlighted rivalries ahead of the presidential election.

"What we need to do is to come up with answers," he said on Saturday. "All this needs to end as soon as possible, because every day that goes by adds to the conditions for a confrontation ... and maybe for a drama."

Bernard Thibault, head of the CGT Communist trade union, said the only way out was to withdraw the law.

"I fear that today the government is only trying to win time ... with the hope that perhaps public opinion will forget the main reason of objection, which is the refusal of yet another attack on the labor laws," he told Europe 1 radio.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 01:53 am
According to a survey, published in today's "Le Journal du Dimanche"

- 83% of French think that Chrirac profits from the discussions about CPE
http://i2.tinypic.com/sb81ea.jpg

- (more interesting, I think) those questioned think in the majority (50%)that the left profits the most of all this. (10% extreme left, 18% right, 15% extreme right)
http://i2.tinypic.com/sbh3rm.jpg
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 08:11 am
That seems like the newspaper is trying to manipulate Chirac into pulling his support from DeV. What kind of poll question is that?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 12:17 pm
Might be - the poll was done by "Ifop" with 962 French persons all over France by interrogation.

Enlarged from the pic above:

http://tinypic.com/sc40ad.jpg

I don't know about the other questions in this poll ...

Quote:
Published three questions in Le Journal du Dimanche
http://i1.tinypic.com/sc7slu.jpg


... or if they are indeed so different to what is done in the USA re polling such circumstances - but I really don't think that they are unusual ... with my understanding of question a public opinion through polls.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Mar, 2006 01:40 pm
The poll itself isn't online (yet) on the

but a different one, the ifop websitespopularity barometer of the month

http://i1.tinypic.com/sc80up.jpg
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