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Bush Picks Judge Samuel Alito for Supreme Court

 
 
Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:04 pm
Kennedy just asked to have letters from Specter's staff to his staff, and his staff's response to that letter, etc.

It appears . . . Specter did receive Kennedy's request for a subpoena . . . but it's not altogether clear right now . . .
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:05 pm
Wow, dramatic

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:10 pm
Debra
Debra_Law wrote:
Kennedy just asked to have letters from Specter's staff to his staff, and his staff's response to that letter, etc.
It appears . . . Specter did receive Kennedy's request for a subpoena . . . but it's not altogether clear right now . . .


If Specter falsely denied receiving the letter, or if his staff hid it from him, it really damages his credibility. Specter is one Republican among several that I respect even if I don't agree with them.

BBB
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:25 pm
Kennedy is speaking now.

Kennedy did send a letter to Specter in December asking for a subpoena to obtain the CAP records from the Library of Congress. A member of CAP is custodian of those records and would not release them without a subpoena. Specter's staff responded to Kennedy's letter stating Specter would not approve the request. Therefore, Specter's statement during the hearing that he didn't get Kennedy's letter requesting a subpoena is NOT TRUE. Kennedy's staff wrote back Specter's office and again stated it would be beneficial to the committee to obtain those records.

CAP (concerned alumni of Princeton) was an organization that opposed admission to minorities, women, disabled, and homosexuals. Kennedy states that the Library of Congress is only a 100 feet away and obtaining those records may shed light on Alito's membership since Alito claims to have no memory of his membership even though he listed it on his 1985 job application and can remember the intimate details of 65 dissents that he has written over the last 15 years.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:30 pm
Debra_Law wrote:
Kennedy is speaking now.

Kennedy did send a letter to Specter in December asking for a subpoena to obtain the CAP records from the Library of Congress. A member of CAP is custodian of those records and would not release them without a subpoena. Specter's staff responded to Kennedy's letter stating Specter would not approve the request. Therefore, Specter's statement during the hearing that he didn't get Kennedy's letter requesting a subpoena is NOT TRUE. Kennedy's staff wrote back Specter's office and again stated it would be beneficial to the committee to obtain those records.

CAP (concerned alumni of Princeton) was an organization that opposed admission to minorities, women, disabled, and homosexuals. Kennedy states that the Library of Congress is only a 100 feet away and obtaining those records may shed light on Alito's membership since Alito claims to have no memory of his membership even though he listed it on his 1985 job application and can remember the intimate details of 65 dissents that he has written over the last 15 years.


Is this an issue that needs to be taken up? How does this have anything to do with Alito being qualified to sit on the bench?

Maybe we can review Sen Kennedys driving record to see if it makes him fit to be a Senator.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:32 pm
Alito has said that he joined cap for one reason.
To protect the right of the ROTC to stay on campus.

Besides,to take a page from the Clinton defenders,that is ancient history and has no bearing on his qualifications as a justice on the USSC.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:34 pm
Membership in something like CAP, depending on how active he was, could indicate an extreme ideology. One would hope he has grown out of it by now, but it's certainly relevant for a lifetime appointment.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:35 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Membership in something like CAP, depending on how active he was, could indicate an extreme ideology. One would hope he has grown out of it by now, but it's certainly relevant for a lifetime appointment.


why?
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:36 pm
squinney wrote:
Really guys & gals?

He's highly coached, as are all Supreme Court nominees. What makes you think he is answering truthfully?

Webpage TitleI Would Like Some Input On These Claims



Given Specter's refusal to issue the subpoena for the CAP records and emphatically stating on the record that he didn't receive Kennedy's letter requesting a subpoena (when he clearly did get the letter and responded negatively), I'm beginning to wonder if there is something lurking in those records that Specter doesn't want the public to know about . . .

They need to get those records (hopefully, they aren't over there cleansing them right now) to set our minds at ease.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:40 pm
mysteryman wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Membership in something like CAP, depending on how active he was, could indicate an extreme ideology. One would hope he has grown out of it by now, but it's certainly relevant for a lifetime appointment.


why?


Exactly...WHY is it relavent today if he has not been a member.

It would be similiar to holding someone's past membership in the KKK against them while the run for public office/.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:40 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Alito has said that he joined cap for one reason.
To protect the right of the ROTC to stay on campus.

Besides,to take a page from the Clinton defenders,that is ancient history and has no bearing on his qualifications as a justice on the USSC.


Wrong. Alito states he doesn't remember his membership with CAP at all. He says he has racked his mind. He SURMISES that he joined CAP because he was concerned about the ROTC issue.

It is not ancient history.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:41 pm
Debra_Law wrote:
squinney wrote:
Really guys & gals?

He's highly coached, as are all Supreme Court nominees. What makes you think he is answering truthfully?

Webpage TitleI Would Like Some Input On These Claims



Given Specter's refusal to issue the subpoena for the CAP records and emphatically stating on the record that he didn't receive Kennedy's letter requesting a subpoena (when he clearly did get the letter and responded negatively), I'm beginning to wonder if there is something lurking in those records that Specter doesn't want the public to know about . . .

They need to get those records (hopefully, they aren't over there cleansing them right now) to set our minds at ease.


Using your logic,Robert Byrds record and activities as a member of the Klan are relevant also,right?
After all,he seems to have a lifetime appt to congress.
Ted Kennedy's driving record from the past is relevant also,for the same reason as Byrds.

Are you now saying that what happened in the past in Alito's PRIVATE LIFE is relevant?
I dont remember you or anyone else saying that about Clinton or Byrd or Kennedy or anyone else with a checkered past.
As a matter of fact,you were saying the exact opposite.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:41 pm
Debra_Law wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Alito has said that he joined cap for one reason.
To protect the right of the ROTC to stay on campus.

Besides,to take a page from the Clinton defenders,that is ancient history and has no bearing on his qualifications as a justice on the USSC.


Wrong. Alito states he doesn't remember his membership with CAP at all. He says he has racked his mind. He SURMISES that he joined CAP because he was concerned about the ROTC issue.

It is not ancient history.


How many years does it take to be ancient history?

Why is it relavent today?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:44 pm
mysteryman wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Membership in something like CAP, depending on how active he was, could indicate an extreme ideology. One would hope he has grown out of it by now, but it's certainly relevant for a lifetime appointment.


why?


If someone has strongly held ideologies that are likely to interfere with objectivity, then we should know about that before we appoint them to the bench for life. I'm sure you would agree if the ideological shoe were on the other foot.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:48 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Membership in something like CAP, depending on how active he was, could indicate an extreme ideology. One would hope he has grown out of it by now, but it's certainly relevant for a lifetime appointment.


why?


If someone has strongly held ideologies that are likely to interfere with objectivity, then we should know about that before we appoint them to the bench for life. I'm sure you would agree if the ideological shoe were on the other foot.


I would agree if that person is CURRENTLY holding those ideals and it can be demonstrated in his work that he still holds those ideals. It should be EASY for them to determine if Alito is CURRENTLY a member of some "wacko" club or CURRENTLY hold to those ideals. However, if you have to go back 15-20 years of dig for proof that one ONCE was a member... you are reaching.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:56 pm
BBB
Hypocritical to claim it's not OK to dig into a person's history and Ok for another based solely on party affiliation.

BBB
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 12:58 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Hypocritical to claim it's not OK to dig into a person's history and Ok for another based solely on party affiliation.

BBB


They should have done there "digging" long ago and going back 15-20 years into ones past is a reach. Wouldn't you agree?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 01:04 pm
woiyo wrote:
I would agree if that person is CURRENTLY holding those ideals and it can be demonstrated in his work that he still holds those ideals. It should be EASY for them to determine if Alito is CURRENTLY a member of some "wacko" club or CURRENTLY hold to those ideals. However, if you have to go back 15-20 years of dig for proof that one ONCE was a member... you are reaching.


I think the point is to determine whether he CURRENTLY holds the same views. If they get the records and find out that he really did just join to keep the ROTC, fine. What can it hurt to find out?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 01:04 pm
No. Why is it a reach?

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jan, 2006 01:07 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Using your logic,Robert Byrds record and activities as a member of the Klan are relevant also,right?


If he's up for a lifetime appointment, absolutely.

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After all,he seems to have a lifetime appt to congress.


Where are those everpresent all-powerful voters you keep talking about?

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Ted Kennedy's driving record from the past is relevant also,for the same reason as Byrds.


If he gets nominated to the Supreme Court, I'm sure they'll ask about it. But it's no secret to any of his constituents, so I'm going to hazard a guess that it's been explored and nothing more will come of it.

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Are you now saying that what happened in the past in Alito's PRIVATE LIFE is relevant?


Yes.

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I dont remember you or anyone else saying that about Clinton or Byrd or Kennedy or anyone else with a checkered past.
As a matter of fact,you were saying the exact opposite.


Lifetime appointment. That's the key.
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