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Unlawful Park Bench Sitting?

 
 
Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:04 pm
Woman Ticketed For Sitting On Park Bench Without Kids

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The Rivington Playground on Manhattan's East Side has a small sign at the entrance that says adults are prohibited unless they are accompanied by a child.

Sandra Catena, 47, said she didn't see the sign when she sat down to wait for an arts festival to start.

Two police officers asked her if she was with a child. When she said no, they gave her a ticket that could bring a $1,000 fine and 90 days in jail.

The city parks department said the rule is designed to keep pedophiles out of city parks, but a parks spokesman told the Daily News that the department hoped police would use some common sense when enforcing the rule.



The Fourteenth Amendment provides:

. . . No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Issue: Whether the city "rule" that criminally penalizes adults for entering a public park when unaccompanied by a child is unconstitutional on its face and/or as applied to Sandra Catena?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:27 pm
If it weren't for the potential anguish that might befall Sandra Catena, this story would be hilarious. It seems to me that Ms. Cetena's rights have been violated under both the 14th and 1st Amendments to the Constitution. The First, among other things, guarantees the right to peacefully congregate. If Ms. Cetena was, indeed, merely resting while preparing to join an arts festival, she was obviously part of a peaceful group.

As the Parks Department spokesperson has suggested, this is a case of the NYPD failing to exercise even a modicum of common sense.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 04:37 pm
that park was a haven for junkies and prostitutes back in the 80's, which may help to explain the reasoning behind the law...
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flyboy804
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:15 pm
The area was called Rivington Playground not Rivington Park. I am not a lawyer, but I don't see a constitutional problem with restricting playgrounds to children and those accompanying them.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:31 pm
Fundamental right: Freedom of Movement

An adult's right to freely move about and stand still has been recognized as fundamental to a free society. See, eg., PAPACHRISTOU v. CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, 405 U.S. 156 (1972)

"[F]reedom of movement is the very essence of our free society, setting us apart. Like the right of assembly and the right of association, it often makes all other rights meaningful--knowing, studying, arguing, exploring, conversing, observing and even thinking." Aptheker v. Secretary of State, 378 U.S. 500 (1964) (Douglas, J., concurring).

When a state has a strong interest in protecting minors, it may restrict their rights in ways in which they could not restrict adults' rights. Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158, 64 S. Ct. 438, 88 L. Ed. 645 (1944). Accordingly, it might makes some sense for the City to prohibit children from playing in a public park without adult supervision (for their own protection), but it makes no sense to make it a crime for an adult to be in a public place if unaccompanied by a child.

Before a municipality may enact valid legislation which infringes on a fundamental right like freedom of movement, the Government must prove a compelling need. Here, the City claims the rule is intended to keep pedophiles out of public parks--i.e., to protect children from pedophiles. Certainly, crime prevention and protecting children is a compelling state interest. But, the rule that prohibits ALL adults who are unaccompanied by children from entering a public park is NOT narrowly tailored to to the city's interest.

It is irrational to penalize all adults who are unaccompanied by children in public places as suspected pedophiles. The rule treats all of these adults as persons who criminally victimize children without probable cause to believe they are committing a crime. This runs contrary to the due process clause and the presumption of innocence.

The rule is unconstitutionally broad because it prohibits ALL adults (most of whom are not a threat to children) from entering public parks where children might be playing. The number of adults engaged in safe and innocent activity (e.g., sitting on a park bench waiting for an arts festival to begin) certainly outnumber the those engaged in criminal activity. The rule is not a narrowly tailored to the city's interest in protecting children from becoming the victims of pedophiles and is therefore an infringement on an the freedom of movement of adults.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 05:56 pm
It raises an interesting question of whether the police officers had a child with them when they entered the park or were in specific pursuit of a crime or criminal. Certainly police are not entitled to break the law and the law as presented so far doesn't appear to exempt police from it.
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husker
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 06:16 pm
what about if I needed a quick sit for my mild handicapp?
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flyboy804
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 08:28 pm
These arguements are calling the area a public park rather than a public playground. I do not believe they are the same thing. I don't know about this particular playground, but in Central Park there are several individual playgrounds within the confines of the park.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 09:16 pm
flyboy804 wrote:
The area was called Rivington Playground not Rivington Park. I am not a lawyer, but I don't see a constitutional problem with restricting playgrounds to children and those accompanying them.


Providing public facilities (e.g., playground, park benches, public space) to one class of persons while excluding other classes of persons raises issues under the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Public grounds, swings, slides, teeter-totters, benches, etc., belong to the entire public to enjoy--not just children and their supervising adults. Most adults enjoy sitting on public benches in public parks, enjoy the fresh air and scenery, and enjoy watching children play in a public playground--and most of them are NOT pedophiles.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 09:20 pm
Region Philbis wrote:
that park was a haven for junkies and prostitutes back in the 80's, which may help to explain the reasoning behind the law...


So, then, are you saying that the inability of the police force to enforce city ordinances against vice justifies limiting the freedom of movement of orinary citizens? I don't believe Ms. Cetena was accused of either prostitution nor drug trafficking.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2005 09:31 pm
Listening with avid interest...
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 02:44 am
It's that good old Zero Tolerance Policing at work Rolling Eyes

Just a small query re the legal interpretations that have been discussed. Is it an infringement of the constitutional right to freedom of movement if I can go everywhere but there or there or there (pick your place, it might be a playground, a schoolyard or another place to which most members of the public are not entitled to go) but aside from those places I can go anywhere I wish that's a public place or a private place where there is an implied right to enter (eg a shop). Is that a breach of the constitution?

Just in case this comes across wrong the above question posed with the intention of inviting information, it's not a rhetorical bear trap.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 06:23 am
husker wrote:
what about if I needed a quick sit for my mild handicapp?



That could be risky. As I recall it, a few years back the New York City P.D. either arrested or fined a pregnant woman for sitting along the subway steps when she needed to rest.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 06:28 am
Actually, that's a good question, goodfielder. Perhaps Ms. Law has an answer. I don't.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 12:42 pm
goodfielder wrote:
It's that good old Zero Tolerance Policing at work Rolling Eyes

Just a small query re the legal interpretations that have been discussed. Is it an infringement of the constitutional right to freedom of movement if I can go everywhere but there or there or there (pick your place, it might be a playground, a schoolyard or another place to which most members of the public are not entitled to go) but aside from those places I can go anywhere I wish that's a public place or a private place where there is an implied right to enter (eg a shop). Is that a breach of the constitution?

Just in case this comes across wrong the above question posed with the intention of inviting information, it's not a rhetorical bear trap.


Even though a lot of people (judges included) use the phrase "constitutional right," its use is misleading. The Constitution does not confer rights. It specificially SECURES some of the rights we retained when our government of limited powers was formed. The people retained everything-- surrendered nothing--when they formed a more perfect union to SECURE the blessings of liberty.

In the beginning, the United States Constitution served as security or protection for the people against FEDERAL government intrusions or infringements on our rights. It wasn't until AFTER the civil war and the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment that the United States Constitution began to SECURE the blessings of liberty against STATE government intrusions or infringements on our rights.

Therefore, when dealing with a STATE or a political subdivision of a STATE infringement (e.g., the City of New York's rule) on life, liberty, or property, we apply the Fourteenth Amendment.

The due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment protects all persons from state infringements on life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Due process means the "law of the land" and includes both a procedural component and a substantive component. The equal protection clause guarantees that similarly situated persons or classes of person will be treated equally.

When analyzing issues that arise under the Fourteenth Amendment, the courts apply different levels of scrutiny. State laws that classify based on race, color, or nationality, or infringe fundamental rights are subjected to strict scrutiny. The state must have a compelling state interest and the means used must be necessary and narrowly tailored to serve that compelling interest.

Freedom of movement within society is a fundamental right.

In CITY OF CHICAGO v. MORALES, 527 U.S. 41 (1999), the United States Supreme Court considered Chicago's Gang Congregation Ordinance that prohibited "criminal street gang members" from loitering in public places. If a police officer observed a person whom the officer reasonably believed to be a gang member "loitering" in a public place with one or more persons, the officer would order them to disperse. Anyone who did not obey the disperse order violated the ordinance. The Court held that the city ordinance violated the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Justice Stevens wrote:
While we, like the Illinois courts, conclude that the ordinance is invalid on its face, we do not rely on the overbreadth doctrine. We agree with the city's submission that the law does not have a sufficiently substantial impact on conduct protected by the First Amendment to render it unconstitutional. The ordinance does not prohibit speech. Because the term "loiter" is defined as remaining in one place "with no apparent purpose," it is also clear that it does not prohibit any form of conduct that is apparently intended to convey a message. By its terms, the ordinance is inapplicable to assemblies that are designed to demonstrate a group's support of, or opposition to, a particular point of view. Cf. Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence, 468 U. S. 288 (1984); Gregory v. Chicago, 394 U. S. 111 (1969). Its impact on the social contact between gang members and others does not impair the First Amendment "right of association" that our cases have recognized. See Dallas v. Stanglin, 490 U. S. 19, 23-25 (1989).

On the other hand, as the United States recognizes, the freedom to loiter for innocent purposes is part of the "liberty" protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. 19 We have expressly identified this "right to remove from one place to another according to inclination" as "an attribute of personal liberty" protected by the Constitution. Williams v. Fears, 179 U. S. 270, 274 (1900); see also Papachristou v. Jacksonville, 405 U. S. 156, 164 (1972). 20 Indeed, it is apparent that an individual's decision to remain in a public place of his choice is as much a part of his liberty as the freedom of movement inside frontiers that is "a part of our heritage" Kent v. Dulles, 357 U. S. 116, 126 (1958), or the right to move "to whatsoever place one's own inclination may direct" identified in Blackstone's Commentaries. 1 W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 130 (1765). 21

There is no need, however, to decide whether the impact of the Chicago ordinance on constitutionally protected liberty alone would suffice to support a facial challenge under the overbreadth doctrine. Cf. Aptheker v. Secretary of State, 378 U. S. 500, 515-517 (1964) (right to travel); Planned Parenthood of Central Mo. v. Danforth, 428 U. S. 52, 82-83 (1976) (abortion); Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U. S., at 358 -360, nn. 3, 9. For it is clear that the vagueness of this enactment makes a facial challenge appropriate. This is not an ordinance that "simply regulates business behavior and contains a scienter requirement." See Hoffman Estates v. Flipside, Hoffman Estates, Inc., 455 U. S. 489, 499 (1982). It is a criminal law that contains no mens rea requirement, see Colautti v. Franklin , 439 U. S. 379, 395 (1979), and infringes on constitutionally protected rights, see id. , at 391. When vagueness permeates the text of such a law, it is subject to facial attack.

Vagueness may invalidate a criminal law for either of two independent reasons. First, it may fail to provide the kind of notice that will enable ordinary people to understand what conduct it prohibits; second, it may authorize and even encourage arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement. See Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U. S., at 357 . Accordingly, we first consider whether the ordinance provides fair notice to the citizen and then discuss its potential for arbitrary enforcement.


In this case, the Court ruled that the Chicago's Gang Congregation Ordinance was void for vagueness under the due process clause.

The New York City rule prohibits an adult from entering a public place--a park or playground--unless the adult is accompanied by a child. The rule is a criminal law that contains no mens rea requirement (it is a strict liability crime) and infringes on constitutionally protected rights. To pass constitutional scrutiny, the rule must serve a compelling state interest and must be NECESSARY and NARROWLY-TAILORED (not overbroad) to serve that compelling state interest.

According to the article, the city parks department promulgated the rule in order to keep pedophiles out of public parks--to protect children from becoming victims of pedophiles. The state has a compelling interest in deterring crime and protecting children. However, a rule that prohibits ALL ADULTS from entering a public park unless accompanied by a child is not narrowly-tailored to serve a compelling state interest. Its sweep is too broad and will snare entirely too many law-abiding adults who are NOT pedophiles and are present in the public place for innocent, non-criminal purposes (e.g., sitting on a park bench waiting for an arts festival to begin).

Unless the law is declared void for vagueness in violation of the due process clause as in CITY OF CHICAGO v. MORALES, each and every infringement upon your fundamental liberty interests--e.g., your freedom of movement--must be analyzed in accordance with the test established by the Supreme Court: Compelling state interest and necessary, narrowly-tailored means to serve that compelling state interest.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 01:39 pm
When discussing whether a law that infringes upon a fundamental right is necessary and narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest, courts often use this language: OVER-INCLUSIVE (overbreath) and UNDER-INCLUSIVE (underbreath).

If the compelling state (city) interest is to protect children from possible criminal victimization by pedophiles, prohibiting ALL adults who are unaccompanied by children from entering a public playground is BOTH an over-inclusive and under-inclusive means of serving the compelling government interest.

Obviously, not ALL adults unaccompanied by children are pedophiles (over-inclusive)--and it is possible that some adults who ARE accompanied by children ARE pedophiles (under-inclusive). The presence or absence of a child in the company of an adult doesn't have any rational connection to the issue of whether the adult in question MAY or MAY NOT be a pedophile.

And finally, if the City specifically made a law that prohibited PEDOPHILES from entering a public park where children are likely to be present, isn't the city penalizing STATUS rather than CONDUCT? It is cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments to penalize a person for their status rather than their conduct. See ROBINSON v. CALIFORNIA, 370 U.S. 660 (1962).

http://laws.findlaw.com/us/370/660.html

If the constitution prohibits the government from doing something directly, the government may not get around that prohibition through indirect measures. IMO, it is clearly unconstitutional to prohibit ALL adults unaccompanied by a child from entering a public park because of the remote possibility that the adult might be a pedophile (status) even though the adult's conduct is completely innocent (e.g., sitting on park bench waiting for art festival to begin).

How about a criminal law that prohibits "registered sex offenders" from entering any public place, park or playground where children are likely to be present? Would this criminal law be a violation of the registered sex offender's freedom of movement?

Without doubt, the New York City "rule" at issue raises a LOT of constitutional questions.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 02:43 pm
The NY police have been at times known to do stupid things. The right thing to do would be to explain the playground rules and ask that she leave. However, there are some who once they get the badge and the power that goes with it cannot wait to exercise it.
The judge will in all likelihood dismiss the charge and hopefully the cops superiors will drum so common sense into that man in blue.
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flyboy804
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 02:52 pm
Most schools do not allow adults to go into public schools and walk the hallways to see how things are going. (If one has an interest, one could probably get permission to look into a class after clearing it with appropriate authorities.) Are these people being denied there constitutional rights?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 03:31 pm
flyboy804 wrote:
Most schools do not allow adults to go into public schools and walk the hallways to see how things are going. (If one has an interest, one could probably get permission to look into a class after clearing it with appropriate authorities.) Are these people being denied there constitutional rights?


A school is not a "public place" in the usual sense of the phrase. I suggest that not only adults, but children not enrolled in a particular school also, would not be welcome as unannounced and unexpected visitors. Some otherwise "public" -- i.e. taxpayer-supported -- spaces are also legitimately out-of-bounds to casual visitors -- military installations, certain government offices, etc. etc. I be;lieve school fall into this category. Open air public spaces, readily accessible to pedestrian traffic, do not.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2005 03:50 pm
Flyboy:

With respect to your school question, this federal case might help you to sort out the constitutional issues:

Hodge v. Lynd:


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While this Court does not accept the First or Fourth Amendment as the proper tool for the disposition of this case, the public, or nonpublic, forum categorization of property that occurs in First Amendment cases is a useful analytical tool. See Hawkins v. City and County of Denver, 170 F.3d 1281, 1286-87 (10th Cir. 1999). Governments control a wide variety of properties with a wide variety of uses. Just as a government's authority to restrict individual speech varies, depending on the nature of the forum, so also should a government's authority to exclude individuals from areas or facilities under its control vary, depending on the nature of the property.

For example, where public streets or parks are concerned, the government's authority to exclude persons is weakest, and a correspondingly high governmental interest must be shown before an individual may be singled out and forced to leave, or prevented from obtaining access to, the area. Such areas are analogous to the public fora of First Amendment jurisprudence, where the government's interest in controlling speech is least strong. See United States v. Grace, 461 U.S. 171, 177, 75 L. Ed. 2d 736, 103 S. Ct. 1702 (1983); Hawkins; see generally Robert C. Post, Between Governance and Management: The History and Theory of the Public Forum, 34 U.C.L.A. L.R. 1713 (1987). Even in these areas, however, where an individual is violating a law, or serious safety concerns are present, some right to limit access should exist. See, e.g., United States v. Chalk, 441 F.2d 1277, 1282 (4th Cir. 1971) (approving temporary night-time curfew imposed as a result of serious civil unrest, despite impact on constitutional rights); Moorhead v. Farrelly, 24 V.I. 329, 727 F.Supp. 193, 200-01 (D.V.I. 1989) (approving temporary curfew imposed to prevent looting and other illegal activity following Hurricane Hugo).

At the other end of the spectrum are publicly-owned facilities designated as limited-access areas, into which only authorized individuals are admitted. Examples of these facilities are myriad, and include properties such as military bases4 or jail and prison property,5 where security must be maintained for the institution to fulfill its purpose; or schools,6 where the facility's purpose could be disrupted by allowing unlimited access to the general public or by unlimited speech. In these areas, the governmental interest in excluding unwanted individuals is at its zenith. These areas are therefore comparable to the non-public fora discussed in First Amendment cases, in which individuals' free-speech rights are weakest.

The Fair, and other publicly-sponsored events such as state university basketball games or music concerts, present a middle ground. These entertainment events are open to any member of the general public who can pay the admission, and access to the events is not restricted to authorized persons, as it is in the case of limited-access facilities. On the other hand, the events are organized and presented for particular purposes or combinations of purposes. Events such as the Fair or the state fair, for example, provide (among other things): (1) entertainment in the form of the rodeo and the carnival rides; (2) education, through the exhibits; and (3) competition in animal husbandry and other skills, in the awards for best livestock, baking contests, and other competitions. See Mood for a Day, 953 F. Supp. at 1261. The government entity sponsoring a fair or concert has an interest in ensuring that the particular purposes for the event are met, and in excluding individuals who are disrupting the event in some manner or who threaten to do so. This is so even if the individuals are not in violation of any law, but are merely violating the rules of the event. Therefore, the government has more authority to exclude individuals from events such as the Fair than from a public street or park.7

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CONCLUSION

This case involves a seemingly trivial matter, the wearing of one's baseball cap backward or forward. However, it raises important issues concerning the extent to which government officials can regulate any activity that might be an indicator of gang presence. Courts have noted that the due process clause protects freedoms "both great and small." See Karr, 460 F.2d at 615, fn. 12. In this case, in the County's effort to prevent any possible problems at the Fair, the County impermissibly infringed on Jerry's liberty to wear his cap as he saw fit. For this reason, the Court will find in favor of Jerry and against the County. A final judgment will be issued following resolution of the damage issue.

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