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Don't come to Australia and preach peace

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 03:42 pm
goodfielder wrote:
Perfect timing. The nation is in a collective major depressive state due to the loss of the ashes so democracy going down the toilet is no big deal.


So, the future of the nation is in the hands of those of us who don't give a brass smeg for sport?


THIS is the perfect time for a coup! Howard must be devastated. Prolly doesn't wanna live!
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 09:09 pm
Perfect.

While Howard is in mourning over the Ashes loss (when he gets back from his latest overseas jaunt I mean) we can begin on Friday night and work through the weekend and achieve power by Monday.

There's football all weekend so the country will be distracted. No football in Darwin but they will all be on the turps anyway.

But we must stay away from Melbourne. They only have St Kilda in the running so many of them will be sentient as footy is basically over for Melbourne folks. Twisted Evil
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 09:13 pm
Just reading along, never heard of the guy meself (which doesn't necessarily mean anything, of course, but in response to dlowan's wish re: an American to weigh in...)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 11:29 pm
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[B]Activist accused of inciting violence[/B]

John Kerin and Cameron Stewart
14sep05

ASIO wants to deport US peace campaigner Scott Parkin over concerns that his training of grassroots activists incites violence in political protests.

The Howard Government is understood to be seeking to put the American on an international travel alert list, which would restrict his future travel not only to Australia but also to other destinations.
Although Justice Minister Chris Ellison stopped short of providing a reason for Mr Parkin's adverse security assessment, he told parliament yesterday that ASIO's role included "protecting the Australian community from forms of politically motivated violence (and) of course that includes violent protest activity".

A spokesman for Labor leader Kim Beazley said last night the Opposition would not oppose Mr Parkin's deportation, following a briefing by ASIO.

Senator Ellison said Mr Parkin's visa had been revoked because of his behaviour in Australia and not for anything he had done in the US.

Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said the decision was based on matters relating to "politically motivated violence".

"ASIO is responsible for protecting the Australian community from all forms of politically motivated violence, including violent protest activity, and they've made an assessment in relation to those matters," he said, dismissing suggestions Canberra had been influenced by any foreign government.

Greens senator Bob Brown claimed Mr Parkin had been targeted because of his anti-Iraq war campaign against the US company Halliburton, which is close to the Bush administration.

Mr Parkin's lawyers and peace activists claim he supports only non-violent protest and had been arrested only once for a minor misdemeanour while staging a protest against oil giant ExxonMobil dressed in a tiger suit.

Senator Ellison told parliament ASIO had not opposed Mr Parkin's initial visa application to come to the country in June, but "his intentions have changed while he has been in Australia".

The Australian understands Mr Parkin came to Australia on an e-tourist holiday visa.

He was detained in Melbourne on Saturday by Australian Federal Police. An activist with the Houston-based Global Awareness Collective, Mr Parkin took part in protests against the Forbes conference of chief executives in Sydney a fortnight ago. He was detained ahead of a workshop he planned to give in Melbourne on the emerging trends in grassroots direct-action campaigns.

Mr Parkin is likely to be deported to the US tomorrow, according to one of his lawyers, Marika Dias.

She said the Immigration Department had initially tried to pressure him to withdraw his appeal to the Migration Review Tribunal to review the decision cancelling his visa.

Authorities at the Melbourne Custody Centre, where Mr Parkin was being detained, were instructed not to allow the media to talk to him yesterday.

Mr Parkin's lawyers were exploring legal options to force the Government to disclose in greater detail exactly why he was considered a security risk.

Ms Dias said the law offered insufficient distinction between serious and non-serious threats to national security.

"What was deeply concerning were that there was no scope for distinguishing between low-level agitation that occurs in the course of lawful political dissent and serious acts of violence."

Barrister Julian Burnside QC, who is also advising Mr Parkin, said: "The Government should not be able to interfere with people's liberties without being held to account."
Source
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 01:47 am
goodfielder wrote:
Perfect timing. The nation is in a collective major depressive state due to the loss of the ashes so democracy going down the toilet is no big deal.


... let me add that some of us have had a "terrorist threat" to our city in the last few days to your list of causes of depression. <sigh>

Anyway .... What's confusing me even more is that Kim Beazley was briefed & apparently accepts ASIO's assessment. I don't think any of us will know what to think about all this till we know what "breach of security" has actually occurred. Listening (again) to Jon Faine's program this morning I learned that it's actually possible for lawyers to petition the court to find out the reasons for Scott Parkin's visa being revoked. Habeas Corpus. So why haven't they done this? You will no doubt know much more about this aspect of the law, gf.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 02:04 am
goodfielder wrote:
... But we must stay away from Melbourne. They only have St Kilda in the running so many of them will be sentient as footy is basically over for Melbourne folks. Twisted Evil


I know it's hard to comprehend, but many of us here aren't enthralled by the AFL finals. Really. Very Happy ... nor are we devastated by the Ashes loss by Oz. Some of us are are now hugely outraged by the desecration of inner-city parkland by greedy developers in the interests of the up & coming Commonwealth Games! Evil or Very Mad Sacrilege, I know, but true! Cool
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 03:30 am
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You will no doubt know much more about this aspect of the law, gf.


Sadly msolga my legal knowledge is limited. I would say that Parkin's lawyers will have to trundle through the byzantine channels of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. But again that's outside of my area of knowledge.

And I'm not even sure that habeus corpus applies (but see my caveat above)

Much state and federal law dealing with acts where habeus corpus might be invoked has sprung up to protect the rights of individuals (eg various bail acts). And I wouldn't be surprised if there are some federal statutes that give it a good belting.....I feel a Star Chamber coming on...
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 03:52 am
goodfielder wrote:
And I'm not even sure that habeus corpus applies


I was interested in this avenue because Jon Faine (a former lawyer) suggested that this might be a way of getting to the truth of the matter. Apparently, in urgent situations, a habeus corpus case has even been known to have been heard on a Saturday morning.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 06:36 am
It works for me. I mean from what I understand it's a sort of emergency form of - I think the term is "prerogative writ" - where the court really exercises its power against the executive. If habeus corpus doesn't work then we're really in trouble.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 06:45 am
Peace activist sent home 'tomorrow' ... but what then?
By Jano Gibson
September 14, 2005 - 5:31PM/SMH


American peace activist Scott Parkin is likely to be deported tomorrow but the US embassy won't say whether he'll be deemed a national security risk when he touches down on home soil.

Mr Parkin, who has been deemed a national security threat in Australia, could be charged up to $20,000 for the cost of his deportation and time spent in jail, claims Greenpeace.

The organisation is helping Mr Parkin fight an appeal against the Immigration Department's decision to revoke his visa last Saturday.

The department's decision came after ASIO gave the activist, who was due to deliver a workshop on companies profiteering from the war in Iraq, an adverse security assessment.

Greenpeace said two officers will escort Mr Parkin on a flight back to the US and Mr Parkin will have to pay for their tickets and his own.

He will also have to pay $130 a day for each day he spent in custody.

The Immigration Department would not comment on when Mr Parkin would be removed from the country or how much his bill would be.

"The department does not discuss aspects of their operations or when people may or may not be removed," a spokesman said.

Nor would the US Embassy say what it would do with a citizen dubbed a national security threat to Australia when he is deported home.

"Unfortunately I'm not able to comment at all on the status of any American citizen who is detained," an embassy spokeswoman said, citing privacy regulations.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/peace-activist-sent-home-tomorrow--but-what-then/2005/09/14/1126377364753.html
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 08:38 am
Catch 22 for democracy.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 04:47 pm
I can't find any new updates this morning, so far. Here's a series of (Fairfax) links links to the story as it developed:

http://newsbreak.com.au/topic/Scott-Parkin
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 05:07 pm
Protesters rally over Parkin deportation
September 15, 2005 - 2:34AM/the AGE

Peace protesters gathered at Melbourne Airport early on Thursday (today)where they say American man Scott Parkin has already been taken through to immigration before being deported from Australia.

Waving signs saying "Thanks for your non-violence, Scott" and "Peace is the Word", the protesters are hoping to get access to Mr Parkin before he is forced to leave.

A supporter, Iain Murray, said it was ludicrous that Mr Parkin, a 36-year-old history teacher, was considered a threat to Australia.

"The only threat that Scott could represent is a threat of embarrassment and exposure of a government that has supported the war on Iraq," Mr Murray told reporters.

"There's about as much evidence of Scott representing a threat as there's been evidence found of weapons of mass destruction."

Mr Murray said Mr Parkin was taken from Melbourne Custody Centre about 6am (AEST) and had been spirited into the airport by immigration department officials. ... <cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Protesters-rally-over-Parkin-deportation/2005/09/15/1126377384580.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 14 Sep, 2005 05:13 pm
So that's it? Spirited away in the wee, small hours, it seems. I still don't get it. Why have his lawyers not been more public about his predicament?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 04:22 am
I think his lawyers have to be careful not to be accused of grandstanding or using the courts for political purposes.

They will have lodged some sort of request to review the matter and it would be sub judice so they would be constrained from discussing it in the media.

As well as that they are officers of the court and have to abide by the law, the standards expected of them as officers of the court and their own professional ethics. If they played this to the media they would get absolutely flogged in court.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 04:59 am
I can understand the American government being concerned about a man who has a track record of dressing up in a tiger suit and causing embarrassment to Dick Cheney. If he tried the same stunt in the UK he might end up with a head full of lead.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:11 am
Pardon? Are you serious Steve? Confused
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:13 am
not really

although there was this brazillian who was impersonating an electrician recently...
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:14 am
Ah. :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 11:50 pm
Still none the wiser ....:

Activist's expensive exit goes to appeal
September 17, 2005/SMH

An Australian lawyer for Scott Parkin says the American peace activist will have to wait months to learn whether he will be made to pay more than $11,000 for his deportation. .....

.... He was banned from entering Australia for three years, and the visa in his passport was stamped with "Not for further travel". Mr Burnside said the situation was extraordinary. Mr Parkin's removal from Australia seemed to be based only on something he had supposedly said, although he had not been told what that was.

"If you can be kicked out of the country for saying words, where the words are not a criminal offence … then you have got a problem with democracy," Mr Burnside said. ......


<complete article>
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/activists-expensive-exit-goes-to-appeal/2005/09/16/1126750129158.html
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