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Intelligent Design Theory Solution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 06:41 pm
Why? God knew before he even created this earth and all that's in it how it would play out. Does he enjoy repeat performances that much?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 06:41 pm
Why? God knew before he even created this earth and all that's in it how it would play out. Does he enjoy repeat performances that much?

I would understand it much better if he were Bill Murray...
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 07:08 pm
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Now, if can only destroy that mystical god once-and-for-all for all mankind.


That is impossible, because of the way that god has been defined.

How can you prove the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent being that is everywhere at once and is not made of anything known to man?

You cannot prove someone is omniscient, because we cannot know everything. We might be able to prove someone is omnipotent, but that's going to be difficult. You can't prove that someone is everywhere at once, because we haven't been to every place in existance.

Yes, as people pushed the frontiers of knowledge, the definitions of a god became wilder and more imaginative. The definitions became harder to define, harder to prove. Science cannot touch god or any god, because of the way they have been defined.


How does one differentiate that which is invisible, immaterial, unmeansureable and alleged to exist, from that which is invisible, immaterial, unmeasureable and does not exist?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 07:36 pm
They are able to differentiate that invisible, immaterial, unmeasurable "it" by prostituting one's intellect. They must leave common sense and logic in the most unmentionable of places to have faith and belief in something that is invisible, immaterial, unmeasurable, and unknowable. They call it "faith."
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 07:38 pm
Finally!!!! You understand. Yes, it is called faith.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 07:52 pm
How does one have complete trust and confidence in something they cannot observe, feel, hear, touch, trust or understand?

Then question science and evolutionary theory that does provide observable proof in many forms.
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arji
 
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Reply Sat 15 Oct, 2005 07:55 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
How does one have complete trust and confidence in something they cannot observe, feel, hear, touch, trust or understand?


guess ya gotta have faith, faith, faith - I gotta have faith, faith, hey yeah -
BABY!
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real life
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 08:59 pm
arji wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
How does one have complete trust and confidence in something they cannot observe, feel, hear, touch, trust or understand?


guess ya gotta have faith, faith, faith - I gotta have faith, faith, hey yeah -
BABY!
Any observable proof of evolution would be carefully considered. Know anyone who has observed it? Or do you just have faith that it MUST have happened?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2005 09:56 pm
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Any observable proof of evolution would be carefully considered. Know anyone who has observed it? Or do you just have faith that it MUST have happened?


Djever see an atom? how bout an electron?


how about a part per billion



Proof consists of evidence from multiple sources. Or predictions made in its name -WORK.

You still havent come up with any scientific achievements that were based upon Creationist principles. Youve continually ducked and shuffled.
Ill give you some
Polonium halos
polystrate fossils
Cretaceous man fossils
flood geology
DNA is static
sea salt levels indicate a young earth
thermocline of the earth
glaciers are post flood
abiogenic oil
dinosaurs were vegetarians (all of em)
There was a worldwide flood

As you can see there is nothing in the above list that any serious worker in science would even attempt to follow to develop some predictive theories that would even make sense.Yet, alas, these are some areas of crap that the ICR still sells to the gullible.

Further, theres no research going on in ID or Creationism anymore.Why is that?
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2005 10:03 pm
farmerman wrote:
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Any observable proof of evolution would be carefully considered. Know anyone who has observed it? Or do you just have faith that it MUST have happened?


Djever see an atom? how bout an electron?


how about a part per billion



Proof consists of evidence from multiple sources. Or predictions made in its name -WORK.

You still havent come up with any scientific achievements that were based upon Creationist principles. Youve continually ducked and shuffled.
Ill give you some
Polonium halos
polystrate fossils
Cretaceous man fossils
flood geology
DNA is static
sea salt levels indicate a young earth
thermocline of the earth
glaciers are post flood
abiogenic oil
dinosaurs were vegetarians (all of em)
There was a worldwide flood

As you can see there is nothing in the above list that any serious worker in science would even attempt to follow to develop some predictive theories that would even make sense.Yet, alas, these are some areas of crap that the ICR still sells to the gullible.

Further, theres no research going on in ID or Creationism anymore.Why is that?


Actually, I'd be very interested to hear your take on these, one at a time.

Since polonium halos led your list, can you tell us how they occurred?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2005 10:22 pm
Not so fast, real. First answer farmerman's question; "Further, theres no research going on in ID or Creationism anymore. Why is that?"
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 07:33 am
So, farmerman wrote:
You still havent come up with any scientific achievements that were based upon Creationist principles. Youve continually ducked and shuffled.
Then, real life wrote:
Actually, I'd be very interested to hear your take on these, one at a time.

Pitiful.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 11:32 am
Ridiculous in the extreme!
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 02:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not so fast, real. First answer farmerman's question; "Further, theres no research going on in ID or Creationism anymore. Why is that?"


Great example of a circular argument.

'Creationists aren't TRUE scientists, therefore they should not be hired for or participate in research or receive funding grants for research.

If creationists aren't being hired for research or participating in it or receiving funding grants for research, then they must not be TRUE scientists.'
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 03:11 pm
Do you mean people of religion aren't true scientists? Does creationist equate to bible-christian religionist?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 03:19 pm
real life wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not so fast, real. First answer farmerman's question; "Further, theres no research going on in ID or Creationism anymore. Why is that?"


Great example of a circular argument.

'Creationists aren't TRUE scientists, therefore they should not be hired for or participate in research or receive funding grants for research.

If creationists aren't being hired for research or participating in it or receiving funding grants for research, then they must not be TRUE scientists.'

Why can't creationists fund their own research?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 03:24 pm
They used to all the time , but since they got nowhere and didnt even now how to start, they would go off hunting Noahs Ark and the like.

real, Im sure Duane Gish would disagree with you.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 03:44 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
real life wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not so fast, real. First answer farmerman's question; "Further, theres no research going on in ID or Creationism anymore. Why is that?"


Great example of a circular argument.

'Creationists aren't TRUE scientists, therefore they should not be hired for or participate in research or receive funding grants for research.

If creationists aren't being hired for research or participating in it or receiving funding grants for research, then they must not be TRUE scientists.'

Why can't creationists fund their own research?


Why can't evolutionists fund their research?

Or do you believe that evolutionists are the owners of the public universities, etc where research takes place, so they ARE funding their own research?
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 03:45 pm
farmerman wrote:


real, Im sure Duane Gish would disagree with you.


I have no idea what you mean by this.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 18 Oct, 2005 04:00 pm
real life wrote:
Why can't evolutionists fund their research?

Or do you believe that evolutionists are the owners of the public universities, etc where research takes place, so they ARE funding their own research?


This is great. I just love the way you twist things, it's so creative and insidious.

The reality of course is that Universities hire the people who they believe best represent their academic standards, and those people choose what research to do, and most of them choose to spend their money on scientific study (including evolution).

But you have managed to imply that "evolutionists" own the public universities and control which thing is researched, thus implying a conspiracy to promote evolution.

I'm impressed. Where do people learn debating tactics like this. I need to add this to my bag of tricks. What do you do for work? Are you a car salesman by any chance?
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