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Putin's war

 
 
glitterbag
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 11:08 am
@Brandon9000,
I find it refreshing to hear you admit to your shortcomings.
Lash
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 11:19 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

That's an interesting thought, but this is an invasion not a revolution. War modes will be changing constantly, and all the civilians can sit back and criticize but the matter will take many paths before it's settled. Frankly it's shocking to me how many Americans are so uninformed and resistant to this matter. We apparently can organize like crazy to avoid health issues to save our 'freedoms', but worry about Ukraine citizens being blown away like dust..........not so much.

I bet there are fewer than 5 people posting who have any sort of military service, most of us are posting about our political likes and dislikes which serves no purpose in a effort to remain free.

So, British soldiers never set foot on North American soil to get colonists back in line?
izzythepush
 
  0  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 11:24 am
@glitterbag,
I'll bet that during Black History Month Lash never talks about Titus Cornelius, AKA Colonel Tye, with her class.
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Lash
 
  2  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 11:31 am
2700 Russian citizens arrested for protesting Putin’s war.

The 7000 NATO troops will not enter Ukraine.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 12:02 pm
Wring a wring a roses.

Russian propaganda is talking anout the possibility of Ukraine exploding Aditya bomb in Russia which the Ukrainian president has already been forced to deny.

I wouldn't put it past Putin to bomb his own people, much like in Terry Gilliam's film Brazil.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 12:11 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Ukraine is 30 years old.
That's how Putin counts (and many Russians, too).
Ukraine entered history proper with the establishment of the medieval state of Kievan Rus - the Kievan state was founded in the late 9th century.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 12:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
This iteration of Ukraine, Walter. Current Ukrainians count in this way, too. I’ve heard their testimonies all day.
Lash
 
  0  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 12:53 pm
Kremlin’s websites are down. Wonder if Anonymous is back in action.
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Lash
 
  0  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 12:57 pm
Omg. I’m covered in goosebumps. So thankful to Germany. They’ve just announced a weapons shipment directly to Ukraine. So very thankful. I don’t know if it’s enough, but new hope emerges.

Of course, this move may cause exponential consequences.
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Lash
 
  1  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:05 pm
https://www.axios.com/germany-weapons-ukraine-russia-156e24ad-b591-421e-9c22-105118adc377.html

Excerpt:

Germany will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger missiles to Ukraine, marking a complete reversal in Berlin's restrictive arms export policy, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced Saturday.

Why it matters: Germany has for months come under intense criticism for its response to Russia's aggression toward Ukraine. The government said its "historical responsibilities" prevented it from shipping arms to conflict zones, and had previously blocked other NATO allies from transferring German-origin weapons to Ukraine.

What they're saying: "The Russian attack marks a turning point. It is our duty to do our best to help Ukraine defend against the invading army of Putin. That's why we're supplying 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 stinger missiles to our friends in the Ukraine," Scholz tweeted.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:08 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
This iteration of Ukraine, Walter. Current Ukrainians count in this way, too. I’ve heard their testimonies all day.
I do know a couple of Ukrainians, but obviously they are different. And I don't speak Ukrainian, so I'm a second bad position to yours.

I've just relied on what I remember from university.

But I don't wonder why do "your" current Ukrainians forget the policies of Russification and Panslavism.
hightor
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:17 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Germany will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger missiles to Ukraine, marking a complete reversal in Berlin's restrictive arms export policy, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced Saturday.


Scholz only did this after Zelensky promised to dig up dirt about Armin Laschet.
georgeob1
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:21 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

That's an interesting thought, but this is an invasion not a revolution. War modes will be changing constantly, and all the civilians can sit back and criticize but the matter will take many paths before it's settled. Frankly it's shocking to me how many Americans are so uninformed and resistant to this matter. We apparently can organize like crazy to avoid health issues to save our 'freedoms', but worry about Ukraine citizens being blown away like dust..........not so much.

I bet there are fewer than 5 people posting who have any sort of military service, most of us are posting about our political likes and dislikes which serves no purpose in a effort to remain free.

Interesting observations, on several points. Russia remains a very significant nuclear power. I'm confident we would agree that any strategy for limiting Putin's prospects for success in his ambitions to restore the territories for the former Russian (or Soviet) empires should involve political, economic and military components, carefully organized to minimize the risk of a nuclear conflagration, while at the same time, providing a path to success. Happily there are emerging indications that such a strategy is attainable, and hopefully our government and allies will act on them.

In the first Place, the remarkable continuing Ukrainian resistance has undermined Putin's status in the world , and possibly with Russian citizens as well. This has so far led to widespread expressions of support and, very significantly, awareness of the dangers of Putin's continuing ambitions from Sweden, Finland and other countries. It appears to have also awakened signs of some realistic thinking from Germany, Italy and other EU powers, so far more interested in their own short term welfare, than to serious dangers ahead and prior commitments to allies.
These events have created a situation enabling a coherent combined political, economic & military response - If the U.S. & European states have the will to do it. I believe a combination of (1) quickly enabling the SWIFT sanctions; (2) political action to focus NATO on the whole of Putin's expressed ambitions with respect to the Baltic Countries (and recent implied threats directed at Finland and Sweden as well); (3) immediate apportioning of funds by our NATO allies to (at last) live up to their expressed (but ignored) military readiness obligations; (4) partial reestablishment of more or less permanent American forces based in Europe, and focused on reestablishing real, continuing NATO military readiness (hopefully soon including Sweden): and (5) The immediate & visible establishment of a logistical pipeline to provide needed continuing support to Ukraine through their Borders with Poland and Hungary -- will, taken together, address the current Putin aggression, and protect our sometimes contradictory, long-term interests. Ukrainians have shown the will to fight for their freedom, and they have already undermined Putin's ambitions and likely his status in Russia. Quick, visible action to create a sustained source of logistical support, backed up by visible NATO readiness to respond to additional actions by Putin can succeed.

It is simply sad and unfortunate that The U.S. has, through mindless actions to curtail our exploitation of vast recoverable oil & gas reserves, has cast off what would otherwise have been an immediately available opportunity to become a major alternative supplier of LNG & petroleum to Europe, and instead leaving the U.S. now as a significant importer of Russian oil, and, like Germany, a significant source of Putin's income.

Much appears to be made here about whether it is the left or the right segments of the American political spectrum that are the "true" opponents of Putin and what he seeks & represents. I believe most of it is simply nonsense. The real test in politics is the actions governments take (or omit) and the consequences that result. The world and the strategies required to deal with strategic challenges are complex, involving overlapping contradictions and the tradeoffs among them. For example, the West does indeed have an interest in influencing Russia to remain oriented to it, and not exclusively to China - if that can be done. That, I believe, has been a long-term preoccupation of German and other Western governments. Right now with Putin that doesn't appear to be a useful effort, but national strategic interests are based on objective facts and enduring. Things can change and we must adapt (and Putin may fail and pass from the scene).
Lash
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:22 pm
@hightor,
Can you give evidence for this?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:22 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Scholz only did this after Zelensky promised to dig up dirt about Armin Laschet.
https://i.imgur.com/xGj9Zd8m.jpg
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Lash wrote:
This iteration of Ukraine, Walter. Current Ukrainians count in this way, too. I’ve heard their testimonies all day.
I do know a couple of Ukrainians, but obviously they are different. And I don't speak Ukrainian, so I'm a second bad position to yours.

I've just relied on what I remember from university.

But I don't wonder why do "your" current Ukrainians forget the policies of Russification and Panslavism.

I’m relaying the opinions of Ukrainians who’ve taken up arms and who are risking their lives to fight against what they call a ‘Russian invasion.’ Only those.
Lash
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Not quite sure what you’re trying to communicate with this pic, Walter. It seems like you support Hightor’s accusation that Germany is only supporting Ukraine because Zelensky offered ‘dirt on Laschet’.

Do you support Germany coming to the aid of Ukraine?
Do you agree with Hightor’s accusation?

Interesting.

Would be good to see proof.
hightor
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:41 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
It is simply sad and unfortunate that The U.S. has, through mindless actions to curtail our exploitation of vast recoverable oil & gas reserves, has cast off what would otherwise have been an immediately available opportunity to become a major alternative supplier of LNG & petroleum to Europe...

Why spend the next ten years trying to develop new sources of fossil fuels? Do you really consider efforts to reign in CO2 and methane emissions as "mindless"? It's the energy status quo that's mindless.
hightor
 
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Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:44 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Do you agree with Hightor’s accusation?

It was sarcasm.

Our former president held up delivery of anti-tank weapons in order to exact a "favor" from Zelensky — to dig up dirt on Biden. The slob was rightly impeached for this.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 26 Feb, 2022 01:46 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
It seems like you support Hightor’s accusation that Germany is only supporting Ukraine because Zelensky offered ‘dirt on Laschet’.
You are not well read outside your Russian bubble.
 

 
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