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Putin's war

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 08:58 am
@Glennn,
So earlier on you were lying.

Thought so.

Why didn't you demand the removal of Bush?

Adding to what Bobsal said, they should prosecute Blair for Iraq too.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:00 am
@Glennn,
Obviously, you not only ignored my questions but are rather unknowable as well.

The International Criminal Court in The Hague would be the competent court. It prosecutes individual suspects for war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide.

Rome Treaty > here: Article 8


But: United States and the International Criminal Court
American Service-Members' Protection Act


I suggest, as OP, that you start a new thread with your questions on International Law. I would very much appreciate to stay on (my) topic here.
Thank you.
snood
 
  2  
Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Besides putting their name in ignominy what does a prosecution from The Hague do to the convicted?
izzythepush
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:19 am
@snood,
The Serbian military leader Ratko Mladic is currently serving a life sentence in one of the Hague's detention units.
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thack45
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:19 am
There is nothing good about this illegal invasion, in the immediate sense, and in the implications of some of the reactions. But there is something uniquely shameful about using the real-time displacement, torture and murder of millions of people to bolster some witless, axe grinding agenda.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:20 am
@snood,
People have died in prison serving terms from The Hague.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:22 am
@snood,
The ICC has the ICC detention centre.
However, it is not used for enforcing sentences; convicted persons serve sentences in one of the States Parties which have concluded agreements on enforcement of sentences with the ICC and have accepted to place a particular convicted person or persons within a national facility. Until such an arrangement is made, a convicted person remains temporarily in the detention centre.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:28 am
@snood,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_detained_by_the_International_Criminal_Court

People detained by the International Criminal Court (ICC) are held in the ICC's detention centre, which is located within a Dutch prison in Scheveningen, The Hague. The ICC was established in 2002 as a permanent tribunal to prosecute individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression.[1] As of June 2018, it has issued public arrest warrants for 42 individuals, six of whom are currently in custody of the court.

The ICC detention centre is for holding people who have been charged with crimes, not for imprisoning convicted criminals.[2] As such, all detainees are considered innocent until their guilt has been proven.[2] Upon conviction by the ICC, criminals are transferred outside the Netherlands to serve their sentences.[2]


Detention centre
ICC detention centreScheveningen prison complex
Wikimedia | © OpenStreetMap
Location Scheveningen, The Hague
Coordinates 52.11061°N 4.301469°E
Capacity 12
Opened 2006
Managed by The ICC registrar

The ICC currently has twelve detention cells in a Dutch prison in Scheveningen, The Hague.[3] Suspects held by the International Residual Mechanism for Criminal Tribunals are held in the same prison and share some facilities, like the fitness room, but have no contact with suspects held by the ICC.[3]

The ICC registrar is responsible for managing the detention centre.[4] The rules governing detainment are contained in Chapter 6 of the Regulations of the Court[4] and Chapter 5 of the Regulations of the Registry.[5] The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has unrestricted access to the detention centre.[6]
Facilities

Each individual has his own toilet and washing area.[7] Each has access to a small gym and is offered training with a physical education instructor.[7]

Detainees are provided with meals, but they may also cook for themselves, purchase food from the prison shop, and have ingredients ordered in.[2][8] However, Charles Taylor's lawyers have complained that "the food which is served is completely eurocentric and not palatable to the African palate".[8]

Each detainee has a personal computer in his cell, on which he can view material related to his case.[2] They are offered computer training, if required,[2] and language courses.[7]
Detainees' rights

Detainees are allowed to communicate in private with their defense teams and diplomatic representatives of their countries of origin.[2] They are permitted visits from family members, spouses and partners, and spiritual advisors.[2]
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 09:39 am
Detention, beating, mock execution: Residents of a liberated town recount the terror of Russian occupation.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/04/world/ukraine-russia-war

NOVA BASAN, Ukraine — Badly frightened and hungry, residents of Nova Basan, a town east of Kyiv, emerged from their cottages and farmhouses on Monday, and described living through the terrifying ordeal of the Russian occupation — detentions, threats and a strict curfew that confined them to their homes with no outside communication for more than a month.

Nova Basan, about 60 miles east of the Ukrainian capital, is one of a stretch of towns and villages retaken from Russian control after battles through the last week of March, and just now coming back to life.

“It was terrible,” said Mykola Dyachenko, the official responsible for the administration of the town and surrounding villages. “People were not expecting such things.” He said he was among some 20 men who were held prisoner by Russian troops for 25 days during the occupation.

He looked exhausted, his face waxy and pale. He said he had been put through what he called a mock execution 15 times while being questioned about local Ukrainian territorial defense forces and ammunition stored in the area.

His interrogators fired an assault rifle over his head during the questioning, he said. His eyes were bound with sticky tape but he heard and felt the gunshot above his head. “It was psychological pressure,” he said. “They were trying to kick out of me information that I was not sharing.”
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Volunteer fighters in Nova Basan searching a destroyed Russian armored fighting vehicle for anything salvageable.
Volunteer fighters in Nova Basan searching a destroyed Russian armored fighting vehicle for anything salvageable.Credit...Ivor Prickett for The New York Times

Two other men also described being detained by Russian troops and told of soldiers beating them with rifle butts, and punching and kicking them. One described being tied up with his arms suspended. Another, Oleksiy Bryzgalin, 38, a construction worker, said he was strapped to a chair with a grenade between his legs for 30 hours and also had a gun fired beside the side of his head during interrogation.

The detainees were moved around and held in barns and cellars and fed only two potatoes a day, with only one toilet break daily, Mr. Bryzgalin said.

The detainees said they escaped from their makeshift jail as the Russian troops were preparing to withdraw last Wednesday. Five days later Mr. Bryzgalin said he still had pain in his legs from the cramped conditions and had trouble sleeping.

The community administrator, Mr. Dyachenko, said he did not know the level of civilian casualties yet and said he was only just starting to organize search teams to check on residents. On Monday, he was heading out to investigate the report of an execution on Feb. 28 of six people by Russian soldiers in a nearby village, he said. That was just after Russian troops had arrived in the area, he said.

Mr. Dyachenko said he also knew of a civilian killed in his car at a gas station when the Russian troops first entered the town. And, he said, a wounded member of the territorial defense had been held prisoner with him but was taken away and not seen since. The Kremlin has denied any Russian involvement in atrocities.

Despite the fear and rough treatment of the civilian population, in the end Russian troops may have suffered more casualties than the townspeople. The Russian departure was part of a planned withdrawal announced by Moscow a week ago but it ended in a chaotic and bloody retreat after a fierce tank battle last Thursday, said soldiers and volunteers who took part, and residents of the town.

On Monday Ukrainian soldiers were piling the bodies of dead Russian soldiers into a trailer pulled by an army jeep. The soldiers were killed when a Ukrainian tank sneaked close to the entrance of the town and opened fire on the Russian checkpoint guarding the main intersection, according to soldiers and volunteers who took part.
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The remains of 10 Russian soldiers that had been collected from various points around the recently liberated village of Nova Basan.
The remains of 10 Russian soldiers that had been collected from various points around the recently liberated village of Nova Basan.Credit...Ivor Prickett for The New York Times

“It’s the first lot we have picked up,” said Sr. Sgt. Andreiy Soroka, 38, the Ukrainian soldier in charge. “Nine and a half bodies,” he said matter-of-factly.

Four of the men had died in the armored personnel carrier blown up by a Ukrainian tank, he said. Others among the dead Russian soldiers were a captain found in a nearby building, and an 18-year-old conscript in the garden of a house who had been shot, Sergeant Soroka said.

A destroyed tank and armored vehicle on the road were leftovers of the battle, when a Ukrainian tank opened fire on the Russian vehicles. They were the tail end of the Russian presence, which had begun packing and leaving the town a day earlier.

Russian troops had suffered a major defeat days earlier in the town of Lukyanivka, and had failed to retake that town, said the commander of a volunteer battalion, Oleksiy Serediuk, who took part in the fighting. “They were disappointed and they started moving out of several places,” he said of the Russian troops. That led the Ukrainian army command to pursue the retreating army, he said.

“The military command made a very smart decision, first to make their withdrawal a chaotic rout and second to cut their escape route.”

He said the battle in Nova Basan was chaotic as the Russians had to fight their way out and the Ukrainians tried to cut their escape route. In the battle, a Russian armored vehicle crashed into a line of shops and another tumbled off the road, he said.

“Most Ukrainians did not believe in this operation,” he said, adding that the Ukrainians were far fewer and outgunned by the Russians. “But it was successful. We created real chaos with just a few people and a few vehicles.”

As he spoke soldiers were dragging out the Russian armored vehicle that had crashed into the line of shops. A group of men, retired taxi drivers, examined the damage, while a line of women waited for the first sale of fresh meat in more than a month.

On Monday, it had been four days since the Ukrainian troops regained control of the town, but many of the residents were only just starting to venture out of their homes. The relief on their faces was heartfelt.

“I have been sitting at home and trembling,” said Maria Rudenko, 82, who peered nervously round the corner of her street before approaching a car handing out food assistance. “I was so frightened at the shooting that I am scared to walk around.”

During the occupation, Russian troops searched houses and confiscated cellphones and computers and ordered people to stay indoors, residents said. With communications and utilities down, and with people unable to go to the shops, they began to feel hungry and scared.

“Sometimes I sat three nights without a candle,” Ms. Rudenko said. The electricity was down in most of the town, and the gas was still out. “Everyone ran away here and I was left. I had only potatoes and some cucumbers to eat.”

Further down the street toward the southern edge of town, three women friends began to weep as they collected bags of food from a group of volunteers.
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Civilians in Nova Basan thanking volunteer fighters who delivered aid to locals.
Civilians in Nova Basan thanking volunteer fighters who delivered aid to locals.Credit...Ivor Prickett for The New York Times

“Every day was hard but the hardest day was when we were being liberated,” said Olha Vdovichenko, 70. “Everyone was hiding inside and we were praying. The shelling started at six in the morning and went on until seven in the evening without pause.”

By the time everything fell quiet, Ukrainian soldiers were already in the town searching for Russians soldiers left behind. A woman, who gave her name as Tania, said one of them asked her if there were any of the enemy around. “I was trembling and I said, ‘Who are you?’” she recounted. “He said ‘Ours.’” She ended up cooking borscht in two big pots for the whole Ukrainian unit.

The Ukrainian soldiers also told Olha Maysak, 66, that the town was freed. “At 6 p.m. the lads came by to tell us,” she said.

But her neighbor, Ms. Vdovichenko, did not realize it was over. She woke at 7 the next morning and heard some men talking outside.

“He said we are free, we are liberat

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izzythepush
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 11:04 am
More whataboutism, this time Mali where 300 people have been summarily executed by Malian soldiers and RUSSIAN mercenaries.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 11:29 am
@izzythepush,
Those Wagner Mercs must get mad miles awards.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 12:21 pm
France opens war crimes probes as more countries expel Russian diplomats

Source: Washington Post

French prosecutors opened three probes Tuesday into potential war crimes committed by Russian soldiers against French nationals in Ukraine — as at least six European countries joined other European nations in expelling Russian diplomats.

The moves came as pressure has increased on European governments to respond to allegations that Russian soldiers committed war crimes in Bucha, a suburb northwest of Kyiv. Ukrainian authorities and independent journalists have reported finding mass graves and streets lined with dead civilians in Bucha after Russian troops began to withdraw from the area.

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Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, more than 100 Russian diplomats in nearly a dozen countries have been asked to leave their postings — Estonia, Latvia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Italy and Denmark were the latest to announce expulsions Tuesday. In recent years, Russian diplomats have also been expelled from several Western nations in response to the Kremlin’s actions, including hacking related to the 2016 U.S. presidential election and after Russian ex-spy Sergei Skripal was targeted with a nerve agent in England.

Latvian Foreign Minister Edgars Rinkevics said his country would expel 13 Russian diplomats and staff and shut two Russian consulates. Estonia said it notified Russia’s ambassador that it would shut two Russian consular outposts and expel 14 diplomats and consular staff.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-opens-war-crimes-probes-as-more-countries-expel-russian-diplomats/ar-AAVT0l1
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 5 Apr, 2022 02:51 pm
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
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Kazakhstan’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Mukhtar Tleuberdi:

“Kazakhstan does not recognize the Lugansk People’s Republic nor the Donetsk People’s Republic.”
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Builder
 
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Wed 6 Apr, 2022 02:05 am
@Glennn,
Quote:
What was the punishment for war crimes committed by the U.S.?


The victors write their own version of "history". Very handy if you have near-total control of the mass media, and can "edit" internet content at will.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 6 Apr, 2022 02:42 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
The victors write their own version of "history". Very handy if you have near-total control of the mass media, and can "edit" internet content at will.
So everything outside Russia and its allies in control of the "victors"?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 6 Apr, 2022 02:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The One Free Press Coalition’s February list focuses on the ten most urgent cases of journalists covering the war on Ukraine, who have been killed, attacked, or have gone missing.

One Free Press Coalition
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Builder
 
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Wed 6 Apr, 2022 03:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
So everything outside Russia and its allies in control of the "victors"?


Let's have a quick recap, shall we Walter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes#List_of_war_crimes_in_chronological_order
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 6 Apr, 2022 05:15 am
@Builder,
I posted that link some time ago.
It doesn't mention the "news" you get from Russian media.

But perhaps, you and Russia think, they have won already?
since you wrote:
The victors write their own version of "history".

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 6 Apr, 2022 05:38 am
As for the atrocities by the Russian army on civilians in Ukraine:
this happened already in mid-March in the Butscha area. This was already confirmed by Ukrainian farmer Elena Chuyan in an interview broadcasted (originally, link to repeated report) on our regional television on March 17 - well before the withdrawal of Russian troops.

Chuyan's family owns a horse farm near Butscha, but according to them, they have not been able to care for the animals since the end of February.
The reason, he said, was attacks by Russian troops. "They shot everyone who passed by," Chuyan said. "They shot children. Men. At cars that drove by. We couldn't get any closer. No way."
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Wed 6 Apr, 2022 06:54 am
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