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Putin's war

 
 
glitterbag
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2022 09:46 pm
@Glennn,
Well now everyone can relax, thanks Glennn.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 28 Mar, 2022 10:22 pm
@Glennn,
Comparing your self-assessment with objective performance ... it's called Dunning–Kruger effect.

But your 'talent' to derail a thread is much appreciated.
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Glennn
 
  -1  
Mon 28 Mar, 2022 10:39 pm
@izzythepush,
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Funny how the usual suspects have just noticed Israel. There was a deafening silence from them when Israel was dropping white phosphorous on Palestian children's hospitals.

Not a word when the intifada was going on, yet now when Ukraine is going up in flames they're saying look the other way.

Oh, so you didn't mean to derail the thread by scolding those of us who denounced Israel, but just not quite to your satisfaction.

Are you really surprised that one of us would defend ourselves? You invited it with your righteous indignation.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 12:48 am
The war in Ukraine has put many farmers in an economically difficult situation: lack of wheat supplies from the Eastern European country has diverted the global flow of goods. Prices for feed, fertiliser and energy have risen sharply.

The consequences of the Ukraine war pose challenges for (European) farmers. Organic farms, for example, may soon be forced to feed their animals conventionally due to a lack of organic feed, warn farmers' associations. (Many farms source their GMO-free protein feed from Ukraine and the Black Sea region, because there are no other suppliers of GMO-free feed in Europe.)
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 01:43 am
@glitterbag,
Remember the Salisbury poisoners?

When they were interviewed they quoted the wiki page on
Salisbury.

Someone has just done the same on the Israel Paledtine von list.

There's two sorts of people who oppose Israel's policies, people like us who are moved by the suffering of the Palestinian people, and anti Semitic bigots like Builder who quote the Protocols of Zion, bang on about the Rothschilds and claim Jews control the Saudi Royal family.
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Builder
 
  -4  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 02:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The war in Ukraine has put many farmers in an economically difficult situation


It's been a whole month now, Walter. A real farmer wouldn't be at all affected by anything a whole four weeks in essence.

Quote:
lack of wheat supplies from the Eastern European country has diverted the global flow of goods.


Diverted from where, to where? Four weeks, Walter. Australia produces more wheat than the Ukraine. Do you even read the content of your posts?

Quote:
Prices for feed, fertiliser and energy have risen sharply.


In the affected areas only. Why have energy and fuel prices risen so rapidly, because of a conflict in one nation in Europe. >>.???


Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 02:05 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
A real farmer wouldn't be at all affected by anything a whole four weeks in essence.
We obviously don't have real farmers in Europe.
Builder
 
  -4  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 02:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
We obviously don't have real farmers in Europe.


You're telling the story. Career farmers ride out years of drought.

I'm not at all surprised you're not up with that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 02:15 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Australia produces more wheat than the Ukraine. Do you even read the content of your posts?


Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/l75JWUal.jpg

Source

Mame
 
  4  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 03:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
ha ha, Walter - good one! Why do you even bother? He doesn't check his facts; he doesn't read; he's arrogantly making statements about something he knows nothing; basically, he's a waste of time and space.
snood
 
  3  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 05:33 am
@Mame,
Yeah, he’s got that special mix of arrogance and ignorance that makes a person just so intriguing to talk to.
hightor
 
  5  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 06:19 am
@snood,
that special mix of arrogance and ignorance wrote:
Career farmers ride out years of drought.

Ukrainian farmers didn't have the luxury of riding out a drought; confronted with an emergency, they responded to an invasion by joining the defense forces and engaging with the enemy.
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engineer
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 06:36 am
Interesting article about why the Russian's state of the art fighter/bombers are being hammered over Ukraine.

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The Su-34 is impressive to look at. The type borrows the airframe of the Su-27 but adds a two-person cockpit with side-by-side seating. The Su-34 can strike targets as far as 600 miles away while carrying 12 tons of bombs and missiles, including air-to-air missiles.

The 22-ton jet is armed with a 30-millimeter cannon and also boasts a multi-mode radar and a Khibiny electronic-countermeasures suite. In theory, the Su-34 is compatible with an array of precision-guided missiles and bombs, making the type roughly analogous to the Boeing F-15E, the U.S. Air Force’s own workhorse fighter-bomber.

But there’s a critical difference. Where the Americans every year purchase thousands of satellite-, laser- and infrared-guided missiles and bombs, frequently train with them and use them in combat almost to the exclusion of unguided weapons, the Russians all but stopped buying guided munitions years ago owing to their high cost and, post-2014, the effect of foreign sanctions on Russian manufacturers of bombs and missiles.

So while the Su-34 can carry guided munitions, it—and every other tactical warplane in Russian service—almost never actually does so. “The bulk of the 300 [Russian air force] fixed-wing combat aircraft massed around Ukraine have only unguided bombs and rockets to draw on for ground-attack sorties,” Justin Bronk noted in a recent analysis for the Royal United Services Institute in London.

That’s apparent not only in videos the Kremlin has released depicting the fighter-bombers in combat in Ukraine, but also in the type’s loss rate. Independent analysts have confirmed the destruction of four Su-34s in Ukraine. The Ukrainians reportedly have captured alive at least one Sukhoi pilot, Alexander Krasnoyartsev.

If four Su-34 losses are evident in photos and videos from the front-lines, you can safely assume additional losses have occurred but aren’t well-documented. Only one fixed-wing type has suffered worse in the current war—the subsonic Su-25 close-air-support jet, which flies even lower and slower than the Su-34 does.


It's mentioned only in passing, but I thought it was interesting that the lack of Russian high tech armaments is tied to the 2014 invasion of Crimea and the resulting sanctions. A military action eight years ago resulted in the Russian military being less effective now.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 06:43 am
@Glennn,
You wouldn't have fit in. Just because we're anti-Zionism, we are not antisemites.

You are anti-Zionist because it fits into your antisemitism.

I do not expect you to get it.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 29 Mar, 2022 06:57 am
@Builder,
Quote:
It's been a whole month now, Walter. A real farmer wouldn't be at all affected by anything a whole four weeks in essence.

I've lived in agricultural middle American small towns (Ohio, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas) all my life (except when I was in the Navy).

My first job was stoop laboring for $.35/hr when I was 14.

Tell me, how do you plan to be saved from a late spring killer frost? A tornado? Have you ever seen corn fields hit by hail? Drought? And a fairly long list including: inflation, Federal Policy, cost of machinery, cost of seed, supply; the interference of agricultural corporations controlling things like what who gets or pays for seed or even the ability to fix hundreds of thousand dollar pieces of equipment like harvesters.

Just another topic built purely on your uninformed opinions.

Inform yourself - https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/largest-wheat-producing-countries.html
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engineer
 
  2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 07:01 am
Just a reminder from the site rules

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8) No personal attacks

No personal attacks on other members. Heated arguments are okay; mudslinging and calling each other names is not. It’s not okay when done in response to attacks on you or others either; please just report and downvote the offending comment instead. (If you feel provoked by offending comments, you can also use the "ignore user" function.) Creating topics specifically to criticize or mock another individual member is definitely not okay. Neither are specific or credible threats to other members.
bobsal u1553115
 
  0  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 07:09 am
@engineer,
Moderation thought one member on this thread was OK making physical threats against another member on this thread. I reported it last week when it happened.

This is just and observation and is not made in any effort to interfere with forum moderation, of which I support whole heartedly and without reservation.
Glennn
 
  -2  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 07:21 am
@bobsal u1553115,
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Moderation thought one member on this thread was OK making physical threats

Why are you complaining about moderation? You're not being reprimanded for calling me an antisemite even though you can't pull anything from my posts on this forum to show it.

You should be thankful.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 07:59 am
@Glennn,
What might you call someone pushing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, complains of a US 'ZOG' influenced government, who complains of Jewish influence in American cultural life?

You apparently have no problem admitting to making a death threat, why are you choking on antisemite?

To clear your misconception: I have no problem with moderation. I moderate on another site. I believe in moderating to civility. I believe a2k works very hard to try moderate a handful of uncivil members. A2K tries very hard to give what is presented as free speech the benefit of doubt. As a moderator myself, I am a lot more conservative than A2K.

I think certain members here have not a clue of what free speech is Constitutionally. Or what moderation is all about. It is not about enforcing the rules, it's about keeping the peace using the rules to place boundary.

For example, what is your concept of the Constitutional guarantee of free speech?

I think if we were only about enforcing rules here, about 30% of the comments on this topic would be justifiably edited or hidden. And if that went across the the entire forum, I could live with my hides, and a bunch of us would regain our internal interlocutor and go and if not sin anymore, it would cut the total of the sinning.

A2K handles moderation consistently in it's own way and I know personally they work hard at it.
Glennn
 
  -1  
Tue 29 Mar, 2022 08:13 am
@bobsal u1553115,
You forgot to bring me the offending post from which you determined that I am an antisemite. You must know what you're talking about, so why delay?

But you already know why you're delaying.
 

 
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