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Putin's war

 
 
Lash
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 03:59 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
It wouldn’t have become this psychotic if the playing field had been a little more level than 97 degrees tilted to one side.

The country hates 1. Lawyers 2. Politicians and 3. Journalists
and not always in that order.

For cause.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 04:17 pm
@Lash,
The country hates 1. Crooked Lawyers 2.Dishonest Politicians and 3. Paid-off Journalists like that one that funneled Russian money to that one Democratic candidate you like so much.

You confuse your opinions for the concerns of the other 70%.

Tell me again how Trump REALLY won the election again.
hightor
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 04:20 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
The point is: if the other half of the political spectrum didn’t feel completely shut out of representation in the msm, we might not have suffered this fracture, might not have suffered the Trump presidency, and might not be concerned about another one.

If the other half of the [arbitrarily binary] political spectrum showed itself to be rational, fair-minded, and committed to the collective good it wouldn't find itself "shut out" of anything. Don't forget the ideology of resentment which has been sold to these people. Don't underestimate the strength of the most conservative and repressive forms of evangelical christianism within this demographic. Don't overlook the barely disguised racism and zenophobia, or the preoccupation with other people's sex lives. No one should ignore the rejection of science (while conveniently overlooking the concurrent pursuit of profits) as the entire planet is being poisoned by the waste products of people and petroleum, and species – and whole ecosystems – which survived on earth for tens of millions of years are going extinct at an unprecedented rate.

I could go on. The point is that I really believe that the ideology of populist right in the USA, and the West in general, does not represent of any system of government I could stand to live under. I believe they are flat out wrong on many issues. Are the causes and consequences of climate change simply matters of political opinion? Should we restrict every woman's reproductive rights to only those allowed by the most conservative forms of Christianity? Is it okay to change voting laws in order to make it more difficult for particular constituencies to cast their votes or get to the polls?

I know that establishment politicians are not widely respected. I know that Democratic administrations have been disappointing. But we have one large portion of the electorate committed to some very reactionary positions, running on those positions, and often winning. Their policies, if enacted, would be deleterious to many people and destructive to the environment. I don't blame people in the media for not giving political donations to the "other side". I'd be a lot more concerned if they actually were.
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Lash
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 04:31 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
They’re all crooked, they’re all dishonest, and they’re all paid-off or jostling for pre-eminence with those who do the paying-off.

Welcome to reality.
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Lash
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 04:37 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Trump was elected primarily because Hillary Clinton and her campaign staff knew how grave her unpopularity was—they devised through email communication (that we’ve all read) to ‘elevate Trump’ in the media. Hopefully, she could put on exhibit how unfit he was for the presidency in debates and win.

She and her staff sorely underestimated her unpopularity.

Fact.
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Lash
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 04:42 pm
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

Excerpt:

“The Republican presidential campaign will begin on November 5th,” Blumenthal wrote. “If Jeb Bush doesn’t run, there is no viable establishment candidate. If he does run, he will be subjected to an unprecedented assault that might culminate in a splintered party, even a third party."

Around that time, an increasingly politically engaged Clinton started telling friends and political advisers that she expected something close to a classic battle about the economy against the Republican establishment’s choice.

Six months later, Clinton associates' wariness of Bush and his likely financial firepower was still acute: Democratic pollster Celinda Lake wrote to Clinton adviser Minyon Moore to warn her that she’d been testing Bush’s economic message for a client. “It has been remarkably strong. Getting even half of african americans and democrats and two thirds of latinos. Some thought it ended too harsh. But the perspective on the economy has really worked. Now we didn’t tell people this was from bush. But it’s a warning."

So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.

“The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.

“Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."

While the campaign also kept a close eye on Rubio, monitoring his announcement speech and tightly designing the tweeted responses to his moves, Clinton’s team in Brooklyn was delightedly puzzled by Trump’s shift into the pole position that July after attacking John McCain by declaring, “I like people who weren’t captured.”

Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides’ message planning meeting read, “How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"
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snood
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 04:57 pm
Great jumping Jesus palomino.
So, Hillary was to blame for us getting Trump as president.
And, Biden is to blame for what Putin is doing.

Some folks have either got some fucked up sources of information, or are just plain fucked in the head. My guess is it’s both - they’re fucked in the head, so they seek out and spread fucked up information.

Lash
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 05:38 pm
@snood,
I’m sure someone blames Biden for Ukraine. I haven’t quite linked Hunter Biden’s miraculous million dollar position with Burisima and the war, but I bet some have.

But, yes. It is widely known due to emails between Hillary and her campaign staff that, indeed, this did happen.
Builder
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 06:33 pm
@Lash,
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I haven’t quite linked Hunter Biden’s miraculous million dollar position with Burisima and the war, but I bet some have.


Here's the Senate's conclusion. Full article is here.

The article also goes into detail about Hunter's connections with Chinese officials and business associates, and the money trail found there.


Quote:
XII. CONCLUSION.
As the Chairmen’s report details, Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board negatively impacted the efforts of dedicated career-service individuals who were fighting to push for anticorruption measures in Ukraine. Because the vice president’s son had a direct link to a corrupt company and its owner, State Department officials were required to maintain situational awareness of Hunter Biden’s association with Burisma.

Unfortunately, U.S. officials had no other choice but to endure the “awkward[ness]” of continuing to push an anticorruption agenda
in Ukraine while the vice president’s son sat on the board of a Ukrainian company with a corrupt owner. As George Kent testified, he “would have advised any American not to get on the board of Zlochevsky’s company.”429 Yet, even though Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board cast a shadow over the work of those advancing anticorruption reforms in Ukraine, the
Committees are only aware of two individuals who raised concerns to their superiors.

Despite the efforts of these individuals, their concerns appear to have fallen on deaf ears. Former Secretary Kerry’s December 2019 denial of having any knowledge about Hunter Biden or Burisma is inconsistent with the evidence uncovered by the Committees. Kerry was briefed about Hunter Biden, Burisma and Christopher Heinz the day after Burisma announced Hunter Biden joined its board. Additionally, Secretary Kerry’s senior advisor sent him press clips and articles relating to Hunter Biden’s board membership. This appears to be yet another example of high-ranking Obama administration officials blatantly ignoring Hunter Biden’s association with Burisma.

Several witnesses highlighted efforts to enable a successful investigation of Zlochevsky, and also noted that the U.S. decision to condition a $1 billion loan guarantee was made in part because of the then-Ukrainian prosecutor general’s failure to pursue a case against Zlochevsky.

But at the end of the day, between 2014 through 2017, despite the concerted effort of many U.S. officials, not one of the three different Ukrainian prosecutor generals held Zlochevsky accountable.
The Obama administration and the Democrat lobby shop Blue Star Strategies had consistent and extensive contact with Andrii Telizhenko over a period of years. Yet despite these well-documented contacts with Democratic officials, Democrats have attempted to impugn this investigation for having received some Blue Star-related records from Telizhenko. Some Democrats have even (incorrectly) identified Telizhenko as the Committees’ “star witness.”430
Although he produced a small number of Blue Star-related records to the Committees, the Committees never interviewed him as part of this investigation.


Biden literally halted the efforts of many people, who were trying to halt the blatant corruption in the Ukraine. He bragged about it here.
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hightor
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 06:43 pm
Republican Inquiry Finds No Evidence of Wrongdoing by Biden

The report delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing of unproven allegations that echoed a Russian disinformation campaign.

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An election-year investigation by Senate Republicans into corruption allegations against Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son, Hunter, involving Ukraine found no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president, closing out an inquiry its leaders had hoped would tarnish the Democratic presidential nominee.

The investigation found that Hunter Biden had “cashed in” on his father’s name to close lucrative business deals around the world. It also concluded that his work for Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company then mired in a corruption scandal, while the former vice president was directing American policy toward Kyiv had given the appearance of a conflict of interest and alarmed some State Department officials.

But an 87-page report summing up the findings, released jointly on Wednesday by the Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees, contained no evidence that the elder Mr. Biden improperly manipulated American policy toward Ukraine or committed any other misdeed. In fact, investigators heard witness testimony that rebutted those charges.
Read the report on Hunter Biden and Burisma from the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and Senate Finance Committee.

The homeland security panel’s Republican chairman, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, had made little secret of his political ambitions for his report, boasting for weeks that his findings would demonstrate Mr. Biden’s “unfitness for office.” Instead, the result delivered on Wednesday appeared to be little more than a rehashing six weeks before Election Day of unproven allegations that echo an active Russian disinformation campaign and have been pushed by Mr. Trump.

In the days before its release, Mr. Johnson conceded in an interview that there would be no “massive smoking guns,” saying that there was “a misconception on the part of the public that there would be.”

The report’s primary conclusions, though, were largely the ones Mr. Johnson and his investigative partner, Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, had made before they began their work, with some new details from State Department and financial transaction reports.

Hunter Biden’s position “hindered the efforts of dedicated career-service individuals who were fighting for anticorruption measures in Ukraine,” the Republicans wrote. They did not clarify the nature of that hindrance beyond saying that the situation had been “awkward” for career State Department officials, who “were required to maintain situational awareness of Hunter Biden’s association with Burisma.”

It was also filled with details that emphasized the unseemly appearance created by the younger Mr. Biden’s involvement with Burisma, given his father’s position. Section 8 of the report was entitled “HUNTER BIDEN: A SECRET SERVICE PROTECTEE WHILE ON BURISMA’S BOARD.”

“What the chairmen discovered during the course of this investigation is that the Obama administration knew that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board was problematic and did interfere in the efficient execution of policy with respect to Ukraine,” the report said.

The Trump campaign quickly promoted the “explosive new revelations,” zeroing in on financial records obtained by the senators that showed Hunter Biden receiving large sums of money — sometimes as large as seven figures — from foreigners in China, Russia and elsewhere while his father was in office. They amounted to “stunning levels of corruption and breathtaking breaches of America’s national security,” said Tim Murtaugh, a campaign spokesman.

In their own competing document challenging the report, Democrats accused Republicans of cherry-picking their findings. All 10 witnesses interviewed by investigators, they noted, had testified that neither Mr. Biden nor anyone else had altered American policy because of his son.

“Every witness stated that Hunter Biden and his associates had no role in the formulation of U.S. policy, that Hunter Biden’s role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions, and that Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States,” the Democrats wrote.

The lack of meaningful new information and the overlap with a Russian disinformation campaign that American intelligence officials have said is designed to denigrate Mr. Biden only fed charges by Democrats and Mr. Biden’s campaign that Mr. Johnson had abused his Senate powers to aid Mr. Trump’s re-election campaign — and in so doing, had aided Moscow.

Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Mr. Biden’s campaign, accused Mr. Johnson of subsidizing “a foreign attack against the sovereignty of our elections with taxpayer dollars” by promulgating “a long-disproven, hard-core right wing conspiracy theory” about the former vice president.

Mr. Biden has conceded that the optics of Hunter Biden’s position were bad, but the former vice president has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.

Though their scope was ultimately broader, Republicans set out to scrutinize a specific claim raised by Mr. Trump: that Mr. Biden had corruptly pushed for the ouster of Ukraine’s top prosecutor, who had been investigating Burisma, as a favor to his son. Mr. Trump’s pursuit of that charge, including the pressure he tried to put on Ukraine’s leader to look into it, is what prompted his impeachment last year.

The senators turned up no evidence to support it. Current and former government officials testified that the decision to remove the prosecutor had not been merely Mr. Biden’s position, but that of most Western nations determined through a rigorous policy process.

The report’s lead finding — that Hunter Biden’s presence on the Burisma board posed a challenge for American diplomats — rested heavily on the testimony of George P. Kent, a State Department official involved in Ukraine policy. Mr. Kent raised concerns in 2015 and 2016, including with Mr. Biden’s staff, that the millions of dollars in payments to Hunter Biden by Burisma made it “very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an anticorruption agenda in Ukraine.”

But Mr. Kent’s statements are not new. He had a prominent role in the House’s impeachment inquiry last fall, when he detailed his concerns about Hunter Biden, but also said he “did not witness any efforts by any U.S. official to shield Burisma from scrutiny.”

“So there was no time, as I’ve testified, that the U.S. government, the U.S. Embassy ever made a decision” about the owner of Burisma or the firm itself “where we took the presence of a private citizen on the board into account,” he told Mr. Johnson’s staff. Other former diplomats, including the ambassador to Ukraine at the time, made similar statements.

Neither Mr. Biden’s campaign nor Mr. Johnson would say whether he had sought information directly from the former vice president, and a lawyer for Hunter Biden did not respond to a request for comment.

In an interview last week before the report’s release, Mr. Johnson said he was simply conducting the type of oversight with which his committee was tasked, and suggested that the investigation had been thrust upon him because Mr. Biden had opted to challenge Mr. Trump. The senator said that he “never thought Joe Biden should run for president,” and hinted that the former vice president had cognitive problems, a baseless attack frequently hurled by Mr. Trump.

Senate Democrats had sought to shut down the inquiry, noting that it was based on claims that Russia has fanned about Mr. Biden and Ukraine.

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the minority leader, noted during one such attempt last week that the United States had just imposed sanctions for election interference on a Ukrainian lawmaker with ties to Russian intelligence, Andriy Derkach, who was peddling edited tapes purporting to show improper acts by Mr. Biden in Ukraine. The tapes were part of a “a covert influence campaign,” the Treasury Department said this month, bent on “spurring corruption investigations in both Ukraine and the United States designed to culminate prior to Election Day” — like the one Mr. Johnson conducted.

Mr. Derkach claimed that he had provided information to Mr. Johnson and Mr. Grassley, though the senators said they never sought or received anything from him. (They have worked with Andrii Telizhenko, another Ukrainian, despite law enforcement officials sharing concerns with the committee that he, too, could be spreading the same Russian misinformation.)

On Wednesday, Mr. Schumer said the report read “as if Putin wrote it, not United States senators.”

Mr. Johnson forcefully denied that his report was based on any disinformation. But he also said a claim should not be off limits merely because bad actors were amplifying it.

“If there is somebody in Ukraine and somebody in Russia also publicizing the fact that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden created this massive conflict of interest,” Mr. Johnson said, “is that something we are just supposed to take a hands-off attitude toward?”

Democrats were not the only ones taking issue. Last week, Senator Mitt Romney of Utah, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, criticized Mr. Johnson for pursuing what he called a “political exercise.”

“It’s not the legitimate role of government for Congress or for taxpayer expense to be used in an effort to damage political opponents,” Mr. Romney said.

nyt/fandos
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Lash
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 06:51 pm
I mean, I would love to see dumbasses line up here to testify that they believe dumbass cokehead Hunter Biden had a legit job on the Ukrainian energy board.

LOL.

Come on!
Glennn
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 07:11 pm
@Lash,
Ha!
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hightor
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 07:29 pm
@Lash,
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Come on!


You'd be surprised – or maybe not – at the number of duds, ghosts, and empty suits who get placed on corporate boards merely because of their name. As far as Hunter Biden goes, I've never read one dumbass who claimed that there was any other reason for him to have been picked for the job.

Okay, what happened to Putin's war?
Lash
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 08:35 pm
@hightor,
They were paying for a service or to ward off a threat.
I’d love to know which one was true—-and which one Putin thought it was when he was preparing for the invasion.
glitterbag
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 10:13 pm
@Lash,
I suppose that could be true, or..........you are easily influenced by your community. If you hate democrats, just say so, nobody cares who you hate.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Mar, 2022 11:42 pm
Russian government document instructed outlets to show Fox News host ‘as much as possible’.
Mother Jones said it had obtained memos produced by the Russian Department of Information and Telecommunications Support.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2022 05:25 am
A property in London owned by Russian oligarch and Putin loyalist Oleg Deripaska has been occupied by squatters and draped in Ukrainian colours.

The protesters have said they're doing home secretary Pritti Patel's job for her.
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neptuneblue
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2022 06:04 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I mean, I would love to see dumbasses line up here to testify that they believe dumbass cokehead Hunter Biden had a legit job on the Ukrainian energy board.

LOL.

Come on!


What cracks me up is that you're still talking about Hunter Biden, at all. It's like you've not ever heard of nepotism. If you do the "whataboutism" scenario, please explain Ivanka Trump's SEVENTEEN trademark approvals in CHI-NA, just a day after her father made her a government employee as a "special advisor."

Yep.

Wonder how you think that's a legit job...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2022 06:47 am
Pregnant woman and baby die after attack on hospital in Mariupol
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A pregnant woman and her baby have died after Russia bombed the maternity hospital where she was meant to give birth, the Associated Press has learned. Images of the woman being rushed to an ambulance on a stretcher had circled the world, epitomising the horror of the attack.
[...]
Timur Marin, a surgeon, said he found the woman’s pelvis crushed and hip detached. Medics delivered the baby via caesarean section but it showed no signs of life, Marin said. Then they focused on the mother.

“More than 30 minutes of resuscitation of the mother didn’t produce results,” Marin said. “Both died
[...]
Accused of war crimes, Russian officials claimed the maternity hospital had been taken over by Ukrainian extremists to use as a base, and that no patients or medics were left inside. Russia’s ambassador to the UN and the Russian embassy in London called the images “fake news”.

Associated Press journalists tracked down the victims on Friday and Saturday in the hospital where they had been transferred, on the outskirts of Mariupol.
[...]
“It happened on 9 March in Hospital No 3 in Mariupol. We were lying in wards when glasses, frames, windows and walls flew apart,” said Vishegirskaya, still wearing the same polka-dot pyjamas as when she fled. “We don’t know how it happened. We were in our wards and some had time to cover themselves, some didn’t.”

Her ordeal was one among many in Mariupol, which has become a symbol of resistance to Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. The failure to subordinate Mariupol has pushed Russian forces to broaden their offensive elsewhere.
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Lash
 
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Mon 14 Mar, 2022 07:21 am
Horrible. I can’t imagine being as vulnerable as possible, trying to bring your baby into the world…. Murder.
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