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Putin's war

 
 
Builder
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 04:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Teachen versus teaching?
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Builder
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 04:32 am
This quite simply isn't a war.

It's also not a regime change, because that's what the US did, prompting the current reactions.

Strategic maneuver of a kind.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 07:20 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
This quite simply isn't a war.
Yes, you and Russia call it “special operation”.

Builder wrote:
Strategic maneuver of a kind.
The correct term here would be "maneuver warfare", but that's not what is going on in Ukraine.
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snood
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 07:40 am
@Builder,
What's the difference between what's happening in Ukraine and a war?
Region Philbis
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 07:42 am
@snood,

"strategically" killing innocent civillians...
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 07:55 am
Finger-Putin time: Vlad arrests FSB chiefs in fallout from Ukraine chaos


A Russian spy chief is said to have been placed under house arrest in a sign that President Putin is seeking to blame the security services for the stalled invasion of Ukraine.

Sergey Beseda, head of the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch, was arrested with Anatoly Bolyukh, his deputy, according to a leading expert on the Russian security services.

Andrei Soldatov, who is co-founder and editor of Agentura, an investigative website that monitors the FSB and other agencies, said that sources from within FSB had confirmed the detention of both men.

“The formal basis for conducting these searches is the accusation of the embezzlement of funds earmarked for subversive activities in Ukraine,” Osechkin said. “The real reason is unreliable, incomplete and partially false information about the political situation in Ukraine.”

The spy chief’s defenestration attests to Putin’s growing fury towards the intelligence services, which he believes provided false information over the situation in Ukraine, Soldatov said. “Putin has finally understood that he was misled,” Soldatov told The Times.

…However, he added: “The problem is that it is too risky for superiors to tell Putin what he doesn’t want to hear, so they tailor their information. The tailoring probably takes place somewhere between the rank of colonel and general in the FSB. We can’t rule out the fact that the intelligence they gathered on the ground was in fact very good.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/51656b28-a167-11ec-b38e-10b333e9179b?shareToken=bfd2f8e3d1a4d48105f47fc2594cf6d5
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 08:21 am
@Builder,
Because "increasingly dull comprehension" certainly describes yourself, you've unintentionally offered the classic textbook example of projection.

One might say a lot of things about Walter Hintler: "increasingly dull comprehension" ain't one of them.

I'd point out that In years and years of writing his stuff, he's never gotten personal. You on the other hand? I'm thinking you're under educated, several times divorced and a heavy drinker - cause you strike me as a typical Trumpster loser.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 08:35 am
@bobsal u1553115,
He's not worth it, he believes the moon landings were faked and the Queen is a lizard, when someone actively embraces that level of delusion they're a lost cause.
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snood
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 11:21 am
@Region Philbis,
Are you answering for builder?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 11:23 am
In a telephone conversation with French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, Russian President Vladimir Putin apparently showed no intention of ending the war against Ukraine. "We did not get that impression," said a Macron advisor in Paris.

The two leaders had spoken with Putin for about 75 minutes today. They called for an immediate ceasefire as a precondition for a diplomatic solution to the conflict.

Das Gespräch sei sehr schwierig gewesen, auch weil die dramatische Lage in einzelnen Städten der Ukraine ein schnelles Handeln erfordern würde. Scholz und Macron forderten demnach ein Ende der Besatzung von Mariupol, wo die Situation »menschlich unerträglich« werde, seit die Russen Strom und Wasser abgestellt hätten.

Nach wie vor mache Putin die Ukraine für den Konflikt verantwortlich, hieß es aus dem Élysée. Scholz und Macron hätten auch nach dem von den ukrainischen Behörden vermissten Bürgermeister von Melitopol gefragt. Die ukrainische Regierung befürchtet, er könne von russischen Soldaten entführt worden sein. Putin habe zugesagt, sich in dieser Angelegenheit zu erkundigen.

Putin is also accountable for the suspected war crimes, it was said in Paris. He can still decide what is right. Macron is determined to exhaust all diplomatic means and to offer the Russian president options. But Paris is just as determined to take a hard line against Putin. "We will exert maximum pressure on him and not give in," they said.
(Source: French and German media)
Albuquerque
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 12:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
A ceasefire while much needed to solve the humanitarian catastrophe in Ukraine would be viewed by the Kremlin as an opportunity for the West to rearm and refresh Ukrainian resistance which I cannot falsify...

From Putin's point of view, his image lost by a hundred lost by a thousand, he rather call out western hypocrisy full fledged and force our hand deep into the war directly, showing the world our true colours, by giving jets to the Ukrainians and getting messy in the fight in order to change how the world feels about this all labyrinthic mess. Giving them, the naive people seeing to much Marvel series, a factual taste that the end might indeed be much near then they think. First by rising prices and economic distress and further by a tangible palpable imminence of mutually assured total destruction...

It is a disaster that we have to get much closer to WWIII before we can start talking about an actual ceasefire and de-escalation...this all charade should have been sorted at close doors and negotiated without greed from all sides long ago...but that was not the path we chose and now we are at an impasse. Bravo!

Sadly the Ukrainian people are the ones paying dearly while we applaud their bravery and brilliant cowboy leadership from our online comfy seat chairs...
Albuquerque
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 01:19 pm
@Albuquerque,
Let me break it to you people in pyjamas playing good scout...how many more Ukrainians have to die before we ACTUALLY get in? Because that is the calculus Putin is doing right now... so how many? There are 44 million of them!

When we get in because we can no longer ignore the cries of an entire huge country getting slaughtered in front of our eye balls, we will be in a bigger impasse, the nuclear one, that Putin wont hesitate nor blink to push forward because that is the only card left he has...so what next? We negotiate, finally, of course after a full fledged massacre that we allowed to happen first by incentivize for decades the Ukrainians to play hard ball with the Russians, when we were bluffing, and now that we seat watching hoping Putin will stop in order to prevent ourselves to get messy and real in the all shitty stinking affair!

Then and only then will we negotiate in equal terms with the Russians...after the huge price was paid with lives that we pledged but failed to protect...

You don't want to hear it but it is true Ukraine is truly VITAL for Russian interests and the same is true for European interests so a deal should have bean done long long ago in order to prevent this **** to happen which we didn't because we wanted a super nuclear power to bow down to us...freaking impressive ton of stupid thinking by western leadership..."oh he wouldn't dare invade"..."we are to strong and Russia would be sent back to XIX century"...

...see how much Putin cares about it...seeee and shut up imbeciles!!!
It is vital to Russia so much that they are willing to call the ultimate gamble in order to stop our advance East!

The truth is a ******* messy affair that the scout boys don't want to listen but I will keep talking because I am not a scout boy nor a bloody twisted hypocrite!
hightor
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 01:41 pm
@Albuquerque,
Nukes ruin everything, don't they.
Albuquerque
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 01:45 pm
@hightor,
...I just think being closed up in doors for the past 2 years made us really dangerously stupid...
hightor
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 01:52 pm
@Albuquerque,
...and that includes Vladimir Putin...
Albuquerque
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 01:53 pm
@hightor,
Yes indeed...
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Region Philbis
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 01:54 pm
@snood,

commentary on his lunacy...
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 03:19 pm
Russia historian Stephen Kotkin: Putin doesn't even have a Quisling
This is a New Yorker interview with David Remnick:


But here are some of the considerations: after three or four weeks of war, you need a strategic pause. You have to refit your armor, resupply your ammo and fuel depots, fix your planes. You have to bring in reserves. There’s always a planned pause after about three to four weeks.

If Kyiv can hold out through that pause, then potentially it could hold out for longer than that, because it can be resupplied while the Russians are being resupplied during their pause.

Moreover, the largest and most important consideration is that Russia cannot successfully occupy Ukraine. They do not have the scale of forces. They do not have the number of administrators they’d need or the coöperation of the population. They don’t even have a Quisling yet.


These are excerpts. In the full audio interview at the link, Kotkin doesn’t rate Russia-based would-be Quisling Viktor Yanukovych high at all. He calls him “unbelievably corrupt,” “a psychologically unimpressive character,” and “incompetent.”

“Could he actually have the willpower, would he even agree, to run Ukraine on behalf of Russia? And if not him, who else?”

Kotkin then adds:

Think about all those Ukrainians who would continue to resist. The Nazis came into Kyiv, in 1940. They grabbed all the luxury hotels, but days later those hotels started to blow up. They were booby-trapped. If you’re an administrator or a military officer in occupied Ukraine and you order a cup of tea, are you going to drink that cup of tea? Do you want to turn the ignition on in your car? Are you going to turn the light switch on in your office? All it takes is a handful of assassinations to unsettle the whole occupation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/stephen-kotkin-putin-russia-ukraine-stalin
Mame
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 03:22 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Good article. Thanks.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 12 Mar, 2022 03:27 pm
@Mame,
I like the fact that as it's gone on, there's less fear, and more heaps and heaps of determination to resist.
 

 
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