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Putin's war

 
 
engineer
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2022 12:45 pm
@Brandon9000,
Unfortunately, Trump's security advisor was of the opinion that Trump was setting up the US to withdraw from NATO in his second term. That is not some liberal saying that, that is John Bolton.

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Former national security adviser John Bolton said on Friday that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin was “waiting” for a possible United States withdrawal from NATO, claiming former President Trump would have likely made such a move had he been reelected.

Bolton, during a Washington Post Live event, was asked about his memoir, in which he claimed that Trump wanted to leave the military alliance in 2018. The newspaper’s Opinions Editor-at-Large Michael Duffy asked him how close Trump was to withdrawing the United States from NATO.

“Yeah, I had my heart in my throat at that NATO meeting. I didn't know what the president would do. He called me up to his seat seconds before he gave his speech. And I said, 'Look, go right up to the line, but don't go over it,' ” Bolton replied.

“I sat back down, I had no idea what he’d do. I thought he’d put his foot over it, but at least he didn't withdraw then," he continued. "In a second Trump term, I think he may well have withdrawn from NATO, and I think Putin was waiting for that."


Trump apologists will immediately dismiss Bolton but I don't think you can deny that Bolton was in the room in a way the rest of the world was not and that he is no liberal. Our overseas allies contribute in ways besides cash. I'm glad we have them and what we spend is money well spent.
Albuquerque
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2022 01:03 pm
This was yesterday comment on the "no fly zone", compare with today news!
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hightor
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2022 01:04 pm
How badly will Russia’s war torpedo hopes for global climate cooperation?

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Even before Russia invaded Ukraine, the prospect of industrial nations coming together to quickly enact meaningful cuts to greenhouse gas emissions seemed slim. But with Russia blowing apart the world order, advocates for international climate action say their cause is looking ever more bleak, just as the effects of warming are looking more ominous.

In its latest global climate report, written before the invasion and released last week, the United Nations warned that the world sits on the brink of disaster — with rising waters sure to subsume coastal cities and wildfires increasing in intensity, size and frequency, among other perils.

Yet the report also offered a glimmer of hope — noting that nations could still pull together to reduce emissions, preserve forests and collaborate on mitigation efforts.

Now, consensus and widespread collaboration seem even more unlikely, at least in the near term. Scientists are already reporting reductions in shared research and communications with Russian counterparts. Policymakers and scientists say Russia’s aggression will surely delay international efforts to find consensus and focus on climate-related issues.

“The war will distract us from climate action around the world,” said Rob Jackson, Earth system scientist at Stanford University and an expert in global greenhouse emissions. Although Russia has been a foot dragger in phasing out fossil fuels, he said, it is one of several major nations crucial to any international pact to slash emissions.

With its enormous energy fields, Russia is the world’s fourth-largest source of greenhouse gases, the third-largest supplier of coal and the largest emitter of methane — a gas that dissipates faster in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide but is 25 times as potent in trapping heat.

When Scotland hosted the COP25 climate summit late last year, Russian President Vladimir Putin declined to attend. At that summit, the Biden administration and the European Union launched the Global Methane Pledge, aimed at cutting emissions by 30% by 2030. More than 110 nations have since signed the pledge, but Russia has declined, as have China, India and Australia, among others.

Even before the conflict, Russia was trying to sell more gas and coal to China, its ally in standing up to U.S. influence in Europe and Asia. To help Russia weather western sanctions, China may be more eager now to purchase Russian gas and coal, some analysts warn.

The war could also spur some climate benefits. Many European nations are dependent on Russian natural gas, and they may now move quicker to invest in clean energy and transition to electric-power vehicles.

Kristine Berzina, senior fellow and head of the geopolitics team for the German Marshall Fund — a think tank in Washington — said the invasion has created a moral imperative to move away from Russian energy and toward cleaner technologies.

“The European Union is about to push hard to get Europe off of Russian fossil fuels,” she said. As long as European nations are still buying oil and gas from Russia, they are “funding the war machine.”

Up until recently, the Arctic was one region where Russia and Europe were making headway on climate concerns, but now those efforts are also in doubt.

Russia is the current chair of the Arctic Council, one of the few diplomatic venues where climate cooperation has tended to flourish, said Marisol Maddox, senior Arctic analyst at the Polar Institute of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington. The intergovernmental forum also includes delegates from the United States, Canada, Iceland, Denmark (Greenland), Norway, Sweden and Finland, as well as six Indigenous people’s organizations.

As climate change exposes spoils once locked under ice and snow — fish, metals, minerals, oil, gas, new passageways — Arctic nations see opportunity, but also incentives in working together to avoid conflicts. Russia controls roughly half of the Arctic coastline, and goods and services from the region make up 20% of its gross domestic product.

Russia also has strategic military interests in the polar region, but the Arctic Council explicitly excludes military matters from its deliberations. That has helped the council keep its focus on areas of mutual interest, such as sustainable development and scientific research, Maddox said.

From these proceedings, Norway and Sweden have funded a project to clean up abandoned dumpsites along Russia’s Kola Peninsula. Iceland and Finland have led another project to develop and share technologies designed to reduce black carbon, or soot. In the Arctic, this form of air pollution can have devastating effects by coating snow and ice in heat-absorbing black dust.

“Russia does benefit from Arctic cooperation,” Maddox said. “They want and need that type of cooperation to continue.”

Whether it will continue is highly unlikely, at least for the near term. The war has put meetings of the council on hiatus, said Evan Bloom, senior fellow at the Wilson institute, and an architect and founder of the Arctic Council. On Thursday, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and the United States issued a joint declaration saying they would not attend council meetings in Russia, because it had violated “core principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

Since the war started, Russian and U.S. researchers in the Bering and Chukchi seas — which are bordered by the two countries — have had to cease communications for fear of inadvertently harming one another.

Information about Arctic animal migrations, movements of fish stocks, water temperature and ice extent are critical for scientists studying climate changes, partly so they can share information with people in the region dependent on these resources for food.

“We have hesitated to contact our Russian colleagues since the invasion because we assume Zoom and internet exchanges can be monitored,” said Lee Cooper, a professor of environmental science and oceanography at the University of Maryland’s Center for Environmental Science. He and his colleagues have worked with international teams — including the Russians — on projects to facilitate research collaboration and sharing of information in the Arctic.

Now, he says, his team worries their Russian friends could “get into any trouble because they are communicating with Americans.”

In recent years, public opinion surveys have shown that Russian people are growing increasingly concerned about climate change, although not as fearful — or willing to make sacrifices — as their European counterparts.

In the far north, wildfires have become more common, fish stocks have moved, and permafrost has thawed beneath roads, buildings and pipelines — causing buckling and destruction.

It remains to be seen if popular concern about warming could sway Russian leaders toward more climate-friendly policies. For now, they are focused on using their military might to overwhelm Ukraine, while using their domestic security apparatus to silence dissenters. More than 6,400 Russians have been arrested in antiwar protests since the invasion, according to news reports.

Still, some Russians are willing to takes risks to speak out, including Oleg Anisimov, Russia’s U.N. climate delegate — who publicly condemned the invasion at a Feb. 27 virtual meeting of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

“Let me present an apology on behalf of all Russians who were not able to prevent this conflict,” Anisimov was reported as saying before the IPCC’s release of its latest report. According to one delegate, Anisimov stated that climate change and the war on Ukraine “have the same roots, fossil fuels, and our dependence on them.”

latimes
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2022 01:50 pm
@Brandon9000,
Brandon, take a serious look at your posting.

Izzy may has short shrift for carnival barkers such as yourself, but he is always honest and factually extremely well informed.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2022 01:55 pm
@Builder,
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The people of Libya had a first-class education and health system; in fact, it was streets ahead of any other western nation.


Bull ****. Why don't you cite one of your right wing website for proof??????
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hightor
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2022 02:15 pm
@georgeob1,
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I agree, unimaginative mediocrity, poverty and tyranny are widespread human traits and , and as well, characteristic of the governance of some countries around the world.

And that's not at all surprising, as human traits affect the behavior of politicians.
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For example Socialist economic systems tend to breed these qualities...

Unfortunately we don't really have a good consensus as to what really constitutes "socialism"; the grab bag term is often used pejoratively by conservatives the way "fascism" is by liberals. One wonders why. There are countries in Western Europe and Scandinavia that have adopted socialist economic systems in various degrees without resorting to authoritarian rule. My local food co-op is a socialist economic system without a despot in charge. There are religious denominations which are communalist and create small socialist economic systems, and some extended families function as sharing and caring socialist economic systems. Common ownership and non-hierarchical participative management shouldn't necessarily lead to authoritarianism.

And it usually doesn't, in small scale cooperative enterprises. But as we scale up we see the weaknesses of political socialism emerge, primarily burgeoning bureaucracy and ineffective administration. It takes longer and longer to get things done. Well-functioning established societies can deal with this sort of inefficiency, and occasionally elections wipe the slate clean, or at least change the cast of characters.

The big problem comes in unstable countries with histories of social repression, economic inequality, and government corruption. There are always clever, ambitious people who realize that political change is possible. But there has to be some sort of platform to sell to the electorate – and nothing attracts votes like the promise of shared prosperity when the old order is overthrown. These clever, ambitious people often tap into the cultural judeo-christian-marxist mythology of "judgment day", when the tables are turned and the people rise up and assume control. In those cases where popular insurgency is faced with economic problems and social unrest which it can't control, these leaders, never really "democrats", will turn to hired goons and paramilitary groups. But this has nothing to do with "socialism". Poverty, inequality, and a lack of functioning democratic traditions can lead to the failure of any government — capitalist, monarchist, or socialist. In some countries it's basically a see-saw between any incumbent government and its organic opposition. It's like that in Western democracies but our basic societies are democratic, our economies stable, and our system of government is well-established.
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Healthier organizations cultivate liberty, freedom of expression, and competition, all of which usually yield some pursuit of excellence and built-in means for filtering out bad or non-productive ideas and methods.

Until some bigger company comes along and buys them out.
georgeob1
 
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Mon 7 Mar, 2022 05:07 pm
@hightor,
Your impressions of Socialist elements in the governance of Scandinavian countries are incorrect. Sweden, Norway and even Denmark remain among the most Capitalistic countries in the world.

Corporations are "bought out" by others for a reason. It usually means they were outcompeted by a rival, or by another company seeking entry into its markets -- in both cases usually involving buyers with more capable management, better quality products and/or more efficient production, seeking to improve their production capabilities in new or expanded markets.

Socialist bureaucracies, in contrast, experience no competition whatever , and are adept chiefly at evading accountability in any form for the results they achieve (or fail to achieve).
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 05:43 am
Germany's Federal Public Prosecutor General Peter Frank has opened an investigation into suspected war crimes by Russian forces in Ukraine.
According to information from judicial circles, this is a so-called structural procedure. Such proceedings serve to secure extensive evidence and circumstantial evidence in order to be able to take action against individual perpetrators at a later date, if necessary. (According to the German International Criminal Code, the Federal Public Prosecutor General's office can prosecute war crimes and crimes against humanity worldwide. The action of the investigators from Karlsruhe against alleged perpetrators of the Assad regime in Syria caused an international sensation.)
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hightor
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 06:35 am
@georgeob1,
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The Nordic model comprises the economic and social policies as well as typical cultural practices common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden). This includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining based on the economic foundations of social corporatism, with a high percentage of the workforce unionized and a sizable percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force in areas such as healthcare, education, and government). Although it was developed in the 1930s under the leadership of social democrats, the Nordic model began to gain attention after World War II

This is what I said: There are countries in Western Europe and Scandinavia that have adopted socialist economic systems in various degrees without resorting to authoritarian rule.  

The point is, these countries have long had "an elaborate social safety net, in addition to public services such as free education and universal healthcare in a largely tax-funded system".  These are elements of a socialist economy, a welfare economy, which must be why further moves in that direction in the US are always opposed by the paleo-conservatives.

Your mistake is to interpret every form of "socialism" as a variation of Marxism. There are other forms of socialism. The Scandinavian model is actually closer to "Bismarckism".
bobsal u1553115
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 07:45 am


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izzythepush
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 07:57 am
Russia is now recruiting Syrian mercenaries to fight in Ukraine.

Says a lot about the commitment of Russian soldiers.
Mame
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 08:31 am
@izzythepush,
Well, from what I've read, they're ill-trained and ill-equipped. Plus, they're fighting their own people, basically. And one soldier said they were told this was a drill, not a war, so they were lied to. I've read reports of soldiers taking off their uniforms which they threw on the ground and sabotaging their own tanks. This war is a game-changer.
hightor
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 08:32 am
@Mame,
Syrian mercenaries have experience in urban warfare and won't have any problems with fighting "their own people".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 08:43 am
@hightor,
Syrian mercenaries already fight with the Russian 'Wagner Group' militia in various local and regional wars. (In Libya, it is said, they get monthly salaries equal to $2,000.)
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Albuquerque
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 08:51 am
@hightor,
Wait wait what? Which countries in Western Europe do not have Universal Healthcare and free education? "There are countries?" You were going perfect till you suggested it is just a few countries...by USA standards any other civilized country is communist...
https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/mt/international/mf%20healthcaremap%20p.jpg
Lash
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 08:58 am
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

Well, from what I've read, they're ill-trained and ill-equipped. Plus, they're fighting their own people, basically. And one soldier said they were told this was a drill, not a war, so they were lied to. I've read reports of soldiers taking off their uniforms which they threw on the ground and sabotaging their own tanks. This war is a game-changer.

Reports like this are making the rounds—seems like grassroots information, shared many times as personally witnessed anecdotes and larger narratives about how Russian soldiers were deceived about what they were doing. Reports state they were told they were going on a humanitarian mission to Ukraine. The reported news blackout in Russia lends credence to state-sponsored disinformation.

In the back of my mind, though, no one I know and trust has witnessed this.

I hope it’s true. US media is also cutting off a lot of media. Censorship: ALWAYS makes me wonder.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 08:58 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Your mistake is to interpret every form of "socialism" as a variation of Marxism. There are other forms of socialism.
Actually it's not only George who does it.

NB: quite a few European constitutions refer to social rights, like in a Social State´s Clause (e.g. France and Germany); a limited catalogue applies to the Scandinavian countries but also to Ireland.
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engineer
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 09:04 am
@Mame,
There are different categories of "Russian troops". Some are just conscripts, but others are well trained and supplied. I think the idea here was to back up the smaller, regular troops with the equivalent of the national guard to make the invasion look more impressive. I read somewhere the good troops were the ones in Belarus.
hightor
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 09:14 am
@Albuquerque,
Guilty as charged.

Thanks for the map showing the pernicious spread of communism.
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Mame
 
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Tue 8 Mar, 2022 09:37 am
‘We are refugees’: Russians flee rising authoritarianism

Public figures and critical Russians flock to the Baltic states, Georgia, Armenia and Turkey amid the war on Ukraine.

Russians, disheartened by the war in Ukraine, fearful of the pressure from sanctions, and concerned by the muzzling of critical voices, have been fleeing their country in recent days.

Their options are limited – with a near-complete shutdown of European airspace to all flights inbound and outbound from Russia, only a handful of exit corridors remain.

Full story below.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/we-are-refugees-russians-flee-rising-authoritarianism
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