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What was the leading cause of death for law enforcement last year?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 5 Nov, 2021 07:33 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 07:56 am
UNM disenrolling 286 students
The Associated Press
Updated: November 06, 2021 09:04 PM
Created: November 06, 2021 05:17 PM

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — The University of New Mexico is disenrolling 286 students from classes for not complying with university’s requirement for vaccination against COVID-19.

University spokeswoman Cinnamon Blair said the students being disenrolled took no action to comply with the requirement by Friday’s deadline.

Blair told the Albuquerque Journal that the students facing disenrollment received daily messages for over a month.

Under the requirement, students must show proof of vaccination or acquire an exemption for medical or religious reasons or only take remote-study classes off campus ...

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/unm-disenrolling-256-students-for-shirking-vaccine-mandate/6293357/
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 09:58 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I am curious about the racial mix of students being canned. An African-American student is twice as likely to be unvaccinated as a White student (and much less likely to have a good lawyer).

I imagine that getting rid of these students might not be good for racial diversity.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 10:27 am
@maxdancona,
Just in case you'd like to inform your opinions for a change:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdzhhw2kso6jlo.cloudfront.net%2Fchart-images%2Fv1%2Funiversity-of-new-mexico-main-campus%2Fstudent-life%2Fdiversity%2Fchart-faculty-ethnic-diversity_xl.png&f=1&nofb=1

[Search domain suburbanstats.org] https://suburbanstats.org › race › new-mexico › how-many-black-or-african-american-people-live-in-new-mexico
Total number of Black Or African American led homes in New Mexico, by type ; Total Home Population: 16,087; Population of Family homes: 9,685; Population of 15 to 24 year olds: 600; Population of 25 to 34 year olds: 1,804; Population of 35 to 44 year olds: 2,072; Population of 45 to 54 year olds: 2,248; Population of 55 to 59 year olds: 920
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 10:30 am
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 11:04 am
Bobsal,

These are real people who are losing their jobs and getting banned from school and you are cheering as if hurting these people win points in some partisan war game.

Yes, 800,000 people have died and if you point this again, I will agree with you. This pandemic is something no one wanted and no one asked for. We are all suffering and we are trying to figure this out.

There may be an argument for vaccine mandates. But if there is, you need to acknowledge that vaccine mandates come with a cost and that some people will be hurt by them. This is a fact and should be seen as a bad thing rather than a cause for cheering.

This call to "Punish the infidels" with no regard to the consequences is not a good thing. It is vindictive, cruel and doesn't address the pandemic.

How about some compassion?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 04:54 pm
No. it's better the infidels kills us, right? Have you ever made a cogent argument in your life? Rhetorical question. Of course you haven't.

Untwist that pretzel you just laid and compare it to your original argument. Do you still mean to claim falsely that black Americans are largely under vaxxed, that keeping unvaxxed blacks out of school will impact a population that is 1% of UNM's enrollment, in a state with less than 2% black population?

Quite a stretch and based, as usual, to you ignoring what you obviously feel are inconvenient facts.

The real injustice you inadvertently expose is that you believe a minority has the G*D given right to infect everybody else.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 05:08 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Bobsal, let me say this clearly. Anti-vaxxers are not your enemy. Even if you could have rounded up all of the anti-vaxxers and shot them dead before the pandemic even started, over 700,000 people still would have died.

Anti-vaxxers are not your enemy. This is the problem with extremism.

1) You are looking for another political battfield in your ideological war against evil, instead of seeing Covid as a global pandemic that no one wanted.

2) You are looking for people to punish rather than looking for ways to lower infection rates and increase vaccinations.

3) You are looking to banish people who are wrong, rather than looking to understand different points of view and the needs of different communities.

I don't support whatever ideological civil war you are fighting. I don't support you demonization of people who don't agree with you and who didn't cause the pandemic.

Your lust for punishment doesn't impress me.

bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 07:10 pm
@maxdancona,
The issue is not whether they are or are not my enemy. What the issue is is whether they have the right to override everyone else in society's right to public health standards in a pandemic.

I understand completely one's right to resist, say. Pertussis vaccine when it's a disease mainly found in small numbers in the Four Corners area. But if Pertussis showed up in Texas, I'd sure get it as well as my kids.

Covid is different. Your right to be a bore regarding rights of the individual vs the right of society to deal with a public health danger not withstanding, your "right" to not be inoculated is nowhere in the Constitution.

If you were knowingly or misguidedly spreading AIDS/HIV, I'd want you stopped, too.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 07:14 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Your focus is on punishment rather than on effectice policy. It bothers me that you are celebrating people getting fired. This would bother me even if I thought mandates were good policy.

This a tragedy, whether you think they deserve it doesn't change that
Mame
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 07:16 pm
What I would like to see changed is:

1. People with other serious health issues being treated in order of priority along with everyone else (obviously, those with COVID). I have never understood why someone who has waited who knows how long for a brain tumour removal has his scheduled surgery date postponed in preference of an unvaccinated person. Why are they more needy or special than someone who's been on a wait list for a much-needed hip surgery?

2. That we KNOW which shops don't require vaccination of their employees so those of us who wish to remain safe(r) can decide whether to visit an establishment. In my province, the only requirement is that visitors/shoppers/diners/travellers must be fully vaccinated.

3. That people stop the blame game. I think the crux of the problem is the protesters. There were protests here at the entry to all our hospitals! Do or don't - I don't care. I socialize with both, as it happens. But stop the blaming. People have their own reasons and they have for decades on various vaccinations. I, personally, think they're nitwits NOT to get vaccinated, but I don't share my opinions with them and don't understand their reasoning, but hey, a couple of my friends like Trump and that boggles my mind, too.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 09:06 pm
@maxdancona,
Policy without enforcement is useless.

Your argument proves it. Any nitwit feels empowered to fight the mandate for any reason at all.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 7 Nov, 2021 09:25 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Policy without enforcement is useless.

Your argument proves it. Any nitwit feels empowered to fight the mandate for any reason at all.


Do you feel that "policy without enforcement" is true about drugs? What about incarceration?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2021 06:38 am
@maxdancona,
Why it's frustrating and useless to even try talking with you.

Two different issues. We're discussing public health menace. At least, the rest of us were.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2021 06:42 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Why it's frustrating and useless to even try talking with you.


It is, don't do it. Nothing good ever comes of it, put him on ignore and you'll feel like a smoker who's given up smoking.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2021 08:02 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I am making a valid point.

You are arguing that enforcement (i.e. punishment) is an effective way to address a public health issue. I am arguing that it isn't (at least not in every case).

Drug policy is a perfectly good example of a public health issue being addressed by enforcement. If you are not actually making this argument, than please tell me.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2021 08:08 am
@izzythepush,
My dear Izzy, if you really have me on ignore, then you would ignore me. The fact you cant stop talking about me is the opposite of "ignore".

You have obsessing over me again, including bringing me up in threads I havrnt even posted on yet. This isn't healthy behavior, Izzy. Ignoring me would be a healthy step forward.

It's time for you to move on. Maybe you could takr up a hobby or something.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2021 08:42 am
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2021 08:44 am
@bobsal u1553115,
See what I mean?

Two unread posts from the most needy poster on A2K.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 8 Nov, 2021 08:46 am
@maxdancona,
You mean other than drugs and Covid represent unequal threats? That drugs aren't viruses? Other than a Covid infected person can breathe Covid on me and drug user can breath drug addiction on me?

Try staying on topic.
 

 
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