I would have no problem with that (given reasonable precautions).
The fact is that children under 12 are at very low risk of serious disease from covid. If the facts were different then my opinion would be different.
That's rather extreme, Bill.
We could save the lives of thousands of kids by lowering the national speed limit to 40mph. We haven't done that (and that I regularly drive over 65mph). Is that manslaughter?
You are arguing against the balanced decisions we need to make all the time. Your extreme "not one kid should ever die" argument doesn't work in a modern society.
There are a significant number of human beings ("idiots" you call them) who do not want to get the vaccine.
You say "EVERYONE MUST GET VACCINATED"
They say "**** YOU! WE AREN'T GETTING VACCINATED"
That's the reality. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to jail them? Fine them? Keep them from ever working again?
That is the extremism on your part. You are insisting that people get vaccinated without any realistic way of making this happen.
Tell me your plan, and then we can talk about the unintended consequences of your extreme position.
The ridiculous thing about this extreme position is that it is counter-productive. By calling people idiots and telling them what they MUST do, you make it less likely they will ever agree to get the vaccine. You have turned this into just another partisan shouting match.
Maybe if you stopped making this into an ideological pissing match... you might get more people actually vaccinated.
I think the vaccine passports will be pretty much useless.
1. Many businesses will ignore them (i.e. let people in without passports) because there is an economic incentive for doing so.
2. Many people will forge vaccine passports.
3. Many people will forget/lose their legitimate vaccine passports and be hindered from doing thing (except for the businesses choose to ignore them anyway)
There is NO CHANCE that I will decide that civil rights are less important than the "good of society".
In some cases I will be persuaded to make an exception. But in general, I believe that civil rights are more important than safety. I don't believe the fight against communism justified employers violating the privacy of citizens. I don't believe the threat of terrorism justified taking away Constitutional rights against search and seizure or freedom of association.
In most cases (except the most dire emergencies) I will choose civil rights over hysteria.
That is my personal belief. You aren't going to get me to change it.
Do you agree that a situation could get so dire that mandated vaccinations would have to be instituted?
Quote:Do you agree that a situation could get so dire that mandated vaccinations would have to be instituted?
Yes I do agree. I have been very clear. Facts matter.
I am against police suspending civil rights (search without a warrant or spying on religious groups) to fight terrorism. Under dire circumstances I would suspend that.
If we are talking hypothetical situations, I would be willing to suspend most civil rights given the circumstances were dire enough.
It is called a balance Frank.
Under what circumstance would you suspend the Bill of Rights and support martial law? I would assume this would involve the same number of deaths?
You are jumping to the extreme position as the first option. I would hold onto civil rights as long as possible and only give them up as the last option.