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Latest London bombings look like amateur copy-cats

 
 
Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 10:12 am
From the little information available re this morning's subway and bus bombings, it seems to me to be amateur copy cats work, not al Qaeda.

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Four Explosions in London; Three Tube Stations Closed

A general view of the scene at Oval train station in south London after emergency services responded to incidents at Underground stations in London, July 21, 2005. Reuters © 2005

Morning Edition, July 21, 2005 · Authorities in London are investigating three incidents on the London Underground and one explosion on a bus. Police say one person has been injured but they emphasized that the incidents were not on the scale of four explosions two weeks ago today that killed more than 50 people.
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 12:03 pm
Or, as was suggested by someone, that since the noose was tightening, those in pre-existing cells decided to do what they could before they got arrested.

We're certainly watching with keen interest, and sympathy.

Has Steve or any other British a2ker posted elsewhere on this?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 12:22 pm
Hopefully, the scumbags followed their brothers and were blown into little peices. Hopefully, no citizens are badly injured.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 01:16 pm
Looks like malfunction of bombs similar to the 7/7 bombs to me.

Could be wrong...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 01:17 pm
I'm pretty sure Rove is behind the attempted bombings in London to divert attention from his current problems.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 01:20 pm
You think that's funny, but I bet six out of ten Democrats actually believe that.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 01:25 pm
I don't think being a democrat has anything to do with it, but I too think it's diversionary. Haven't seen nor heard from London, or any of the rest of the gang.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 01:35 pm
Lash wrote:
You think that's funny, but I bet six out of ten Democrats actually believe that.

I think the current rule in place is that your are not to acknowledge my posts.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 01:45 pm
People (or a person) saw a guy put the pack in the train and run away, so there must be some description...
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sumac
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 01:59 pm
You are insulting Democrats, Lash. Do you feel no shame?
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:15 pm
sumac wrote:
You are insulting Democrats, Lash. Do you feel no shame?

Hell no. Do they feel shame when they insult Republicans? I'll be watching you scan the threads taking the Usual Suspects to task for bashing Republicans....I guess you can go with blatham, who shall be searching for CI, as he is overdue for a trip to the woodshed.

Letty.

You have got to be kidding. London was bombed to take attention off Karl Rove?

Dys--

Who put that rule in place?
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:21 pm
No, Lash, I said that being a democrat has nothing to do with what we think about the copy cat bombing. But there is a possibility that it is a diversion to keep the Patriot Act on IV's.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:22 pm
Lash long ago demonstrated a complete lack of either discrection or shame . . . ask her about Iraq-al Qaeda links . . .
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:26 pm
I believe the text of the 911 Report. The links found there are the ones I believe. Don't you, Set? Or do you know more than they do?

Letty--

If the London bombings are diversionary, that means to me that someone intentionally bombed London to get news of Karl Rove off the front page. To clarify, is that what you think? If it is, who might do such a thing?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:28 pm
I know from having read the report that they found no connection . . . and i know you have no shame about trying to trot out your BS claim that the report proves they did even when the text of the report is quoted to you showing that to be a lie.

So the remark is germane, because it is a glaring example of how your partisan nature knows no shame.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:32 pm
The links I believe are in the 911 Commission Report. The meetings between OBL and Saddam--the offers of assistance... you know, THAT STUFF.

The things they proved DID happen...
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 03:50 pm
No One Hurt in Coordinated London Blasts By ROBERT BARR, Associated Press Writer
24 minutes ago



LONDON - Small explosions struck the London Underground and a bus at midday Thursday in a chilling but bloodless replay of the suicide bombings that killed 56 people two weeks ago.

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No one was injured in the coordinated lunch-hour blasts, which shocked and disrupted the capital and were hauntingly similar to the July 7 bombings by four attackers.

Police Commissioner Ian Blair would not say if any arrests had been made Thursday but he added that forensic evidence collected from the crime scenes could provide a "significant break" in the latest attacks.

"Clearly, the intention must have been to kill," Blair told a news conference. "You don't do this with any other intention."

He also said it was not clear if the two sets of attacks were connected.

Panicked and screaming commuters fled the three affected Underground stations, sometimes leaving behind their shoes, after the near-simultaneous blasts. Firefighters and police with bomb-sniffing dogs sealed off nearby city blocks and evacuated rows of restaurants, pubs and offices.

Prime Minister Tony Blair appealed for calm.

"We can't minimize incidents such as this," he said at a news conference with the Australian prime minister. "They're done to scare people, to frighten them and make them worried."

He held an emergency Cabinet meeting but said no policy decisions were made.

President Bush was briefed on the explosions and said the terrorists "understand when they kill in cold blood it ends up on our TV screens and they're trying to shake our will. And they're trying to create vacuums in which their ideology can move."

U.S. mass transit systems remain on code orange, or high alert, since the London bombings two weeks ago, but the rest of the country is at yellow, signifying an elevated risk.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said police will begin conducting random searches of packages and backpacks of people entering the city's subway, which carries about 4.5 million passengers on the average weekday. Officials would not immediately say how frequently the checks would occur.

London Transport spokesman Steve Taylor told The Associated Press that it would be impracticable to check bags, or to install airport-style metal detectors and X-ray machines in a subway network that carries 3 million passengers a day, or a bus system that carries some 6 million daily.

Ian Blair, the police commissioner, called the blasts "a very serious incident."

"We know that we have four explosions or attempts of explosions, and it is still pretty unclear as to what has happened," he said outside Scotland Yard.

"At the moment the casualty numbers appear to be very low ... the bombs appear to be smaller" than those detonated July 7, he said. He added later that not all the bombs went off.

Independent security and defense analyst Paul Beaver said he was told by an official close to the investigation that it appeared two devices detonated but that the other two did not.

Police initially said one person was injured in the blasts, but later said there were no bomb blast injuries, although one person was reported to have suffered an asthma attack.

An armed police unit entered University College hospital shortly after the blasts.

Sky News TV reported that police were searching for a man with a blue shirt with wires protruding. Officers asked employees to look for a black or Asian male about 6-foot-2.

The attacks, which targeted trains near the Warren Street, Oval and Shepherd's Bush stations, did not shut down the subway system, only three of its lines. The double-decker bus had its windows blown out on Hackney Road in east London.

"When I got home, my hands were shaking," says 24-year-old commuter Lisa Chilley, who uses the targeted Oval station. "I'm panicking like hell. It's just too close to home."

Witnesses told The Associated Press they did not hear a bang but smelled something similar to an electrical fire at the Warren Street station.

Police in chemical protection suits were at the Warren Street station, but no chemical agents were found.

Stagecoach, the company which operates the stricken bus, said the driver heard a bang and went upstairs, where he found the windows blown out. The company said the bus was structurally intact and there were no injuries.

The incidents paralleled the July 7 blasts, which involved explosions at three Underground stations simultaneously starting at 8:51 a.m., followed quickly by a bomb going off on a bus. Those bombings, during the morning rush hour, also occurred in the center of London, hitting the Underground from various directions.

Thursday's strikes, which began at 12:38 p.m., were more spread out.

"People were panicking. But very fortunately the train was only 15 seconds from the station," witness Ivan McCracken told Sky news.

McCracken said another passenger at Warren Street told him he saw a backpack explode. The July 7 bombs were carried in backpacks, police said.

McCracken said he smelled smoke, and people were panicking and entering his subway car.

He said he spoke to an Italian man who was comforting a woman, and "he said that a man was carrying a rucksack and the rucksack suddenly exploded. It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack."

"The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage," McCracken said.

The U.S. Embassy was closed to visitors about two hours after the blasts as a precaution, but embassy staff continued working, said spokeswoman Susan Domowitz.

The explosions came as Pakistani intelligence officials said authorities are seeking the former aide of a radical cleric in Britain in connection with the July 7 bombings.

The officials said British investigators asked Pakistani authorities to search for Haroon Rashid Aswat, who reportedly had been in close contact with the suicide bombers just before the attacks.

Aswat, 31, was of Indian origin and may not be in Pakistan, according to two intelligence officials in Islamabad and one in Lahore, all speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk to the media and because of the sensitivity of the investigation.

Aswat reportedly was once an associate of Abu Hamza al-Masri, a radical imam awaiting trial in Britain on charges of incitement to murder. Al-Masri also is wanted in the United States on charges of trying to establish a terrorist training camp in Bly, Ore.; involvement in hostage-taking in Yemen; and funding terror training in Afghanistan.

Quoting unidentified intelligence sources, The Times of London said Aswat visited the hometowns of the four London bombers and selected their targets. It also reported there had been up to 20 phone calls between Aswat and two of the bombers before the attacks.

Aswat's relatives in Batley, near the northern English town of Leeds, which was home to two of the suicide bombers, said they had not heard from him for many years.

"He has not lived at this house and we have not had contact with him for many years," said his father, Rashid, who asked for his family to be left in peace. "There is no story that we can provide."

Authorities are investigating whether the London bombing suspects, three of whom were of Pakistani origin and traveled to Pakistan last year, received training or other assistance from militants in that country.

One of the July 7 bombers, Shahzad Tanweer, 22, is suspected of visiting a madrassa linked with militants in Lahore which has become a focus of the inquiry.

A Pakistani newspaper reported that Tanweer revered Osama bin Laden. The English-language Dawn newspaper said Tanweer visited relatives in November in a farming village near Faisalabad in eastern Pakistan. During his stay, he was visited by another bombing suspect, Mohammed Sidique Khan, 30, Tanweer's uncle told the newspaper.

Pakistan has pledged to curb religious extremism amid international concerns that Islamic schools, or madrassas, are promoting extremism.

___ Associated Press reporters Thin Lei Win and Kate Bouey in London and Christopher Torchia in Islamabad, Pakistan, contributed to this report.

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Has anyone's opinion about the Patriot Act, profiling, tolerance of hate speech...or anything else changed in light of these attacks on London? I've noticed a trend toward enhanced understanding of some of the strong moves the US made after 911 --since the London bombings.

The US is changing policy in our subways, as well.

Interested to hear what people think of all this.

Wonder what became of Letty?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 04:14 pm
Shaming democrats is lots of fun, I do quite often, shaming republicans is not as much fun, I have to go back time after time to explain it to them.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 04:32 pm
Lash, I am right here, but I think I have already explained about my stance. It has absolutely nothing to with Rowe. Rolling Eyes
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2005 04:39 pm
Letty

You said you think the bombing was diversionary.

Why did you say that?
<I think I'm supposed to add that rolly-eye character...>

Rolling Eyes

Who was trying to divert who from what?
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