@izzythepush,
You are right izzy…..
It’s “closed loop” reasonings or as I call it “hamsters wheel” reasoning.
You do indeed need to step off.
Neither side wins because neither side of the debate can win the debate unless they have definitive proof and nether side has that definitive proof.
So what’s left?
Possibility assertions, that’s all.
1.Bad is Bad
2.Bad is Good
3.Good is Bad
4.Good is Good.
So, IF good is bad and bad is good then good is good and bad is bad.
The fundamental issue is that if you only utilise 0,1..1,0 logic to reach your nihilistic philosophical stance then it is crystal clear that you are UNAWARE that you have overlooked 0,0…1,1 possibility logic because good and bad might not be the same.
An easy philosophical mistake to make.