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Republican attacks on democracy are a national emergency. Will Democrats ever fight back?

 
 
Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2021 06:44 pm
Biden addresses 'unprecedented assault on our democracy'
at 100th anniversary of Tulsa massacre.

Published June 1, 2021

maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2021 07:20 pm
@Real Music,
In this video, Biden says "it is not unprecedented".

If you are going to quote a partisan politician making the expected partisan argument, at keast get the partisan rhetoric correct.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2021 08:24 pm
Real Music wrote:
Republican attacks on democracy are a national emergency.

Oh please. Rolling Eyes

The only threat to Democracy in this thread is what you see when you look in a mirror.

Luckily you are only a minor threat. The Republicans will prevent you from harming our democracy.
Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 12:55 am
Within the last few days or weeks there have been three recent Court rulings against Voter suppression laws. The three court rulings were in regard to North Carolina, Texas, and Wisconsin voter suppression laws. We are finally starting to see these voter suppression laws for what they really are. These voter suppression laws are really anti-democracy laws. I am thankful to finally start seeing some of these anti-democracy laws struck down.

Published July 29, 2016

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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 03:07 am
@Jsorel,
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I suppose it is merely accidental that all of these actions make it easier to pack ballot boxes with fraudulent votes.

I suppose it's merely an accident that people in low-income urban communities are forced to wait on line for hours to cast a vote. Funny thing, too — none of these boxes packed with fraudulent ballots have been produced as evidence.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 03:09 am
The Republicans’ Wild Assault on Voting Rights in Texas and Arizona
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 03:14 am
@hightor,
There is no assault on voting rights. Progressives are getting hysterical because they won't be able to cheat in elections anymore.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 03:31 am
@oralloy,
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Progressives are getting hysterical because they won't be able to cheat in elections anymore.

That seems rather flippant, more like just shooting off a gratuitous insult — "hysterical cheaters" — than dealing with the facts at hand.
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Based on data collected by the conservative Heritage Foundation, the incidence of voter fraud in the two decades before last year’s election was about 0.00006 per cent of total ballots cast. It was negligible in 2020, too, as Trump’s Attorney General, William Barr, acknowledged at the time.


Can you address these actions and explain why you think they are justified? Besides the fact that they will help your side win elections, that is.

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What distinguishes these efforts is that they target not only voters but also poll workers and election officials. The Texas bill makes it a criminal offense for an election official to obstruct the view of poll watchers, who are typically partisan volunteers, and grants those observers the right to record videos of voters at polling places. In Iowa, officials could be fined ten thousand dollars for “technical infractions,” such as failing to sufficiently purge voters from the rolls. In Florida, workers who leave drop boxes unattended, however briefly, can be fined twenty-five thousand dollars. In Georgia, poll watchers can challenge the eligibility of an unlimited number of voters.

Even before the pandemic, sixty-five per cent of jurisdictions in the country were having trouble attracting poll workers. The threat of sizable fines and criminal prosecution will only make that task harder, and that’s clearly the point. Polls can’t operate without poll workers. Voters can’t vote if there are no polling places, or if they can’t stand in hours-long lines at the sites that are open—not to mention if other means of casting a ballot, such as by mail, have been outlawed.


oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 04:52 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
That seems rather flippant, more like just shooting off a gratuitous insult -- "hysterical cheaters" -- than dealing with the facts at hand.

Hysteria is standard operating procedure for progressives.

And they always try to cheat. Look at how Al Gore almost cheated his way into the White House in 2000.

I guess I am being a bit flippant. But my attitude is because this is just the same old nonsense that the left has been spewing since forever.


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Based on data collected by the conservative Heritage Foundation, the incidence of voter fraud in the two decades before last year’s election was about 0.00006 per cent of total ballots cast. It was negligible in 2020, too, as Trump’s Attorney General, William Barr, acknowledged at the time.

Given the way the left has blocked so many election security measures, there is no way to know whether or not they got away with cheating in 2020.

Sure, there is no evidence of cheating in 2020. But given the situation, they could well have cheated without leaving any evidence.


hightor wrote:
Can you address these actions and explain why you think they are justified?
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The Texas bill makes it a criminal offense for an election official to obstruct the view of poll watchers, who are typically partisan volunteers, and grants those observers the right to record videos of voters at polling places.

The justification for that is, it prevents election workers from altering ballots.


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In Iowa, officials could be fined ten thousand dollars for "technical infractions," such as failing to sufficiently purge voters from the rolls.

The justification for that is, we don't want dead people casting votes.


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In Florida, workers who leave drop boxes unattended, however briefly, can be fined twenty-five thousand dollars.

The justification for that is, we don't want votes to be tampered with.


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In Georgia, poll watchers can challenge the eligibility of an unlimited number of voters.

The justification for that is, we don't want dead people casting votes.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 05:24 am
@oralloy,
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The justification for that is, it prevents election workers from altering ballots.

But there's no evidence that election workers change ballots.
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The justification for that is, we don't want dead people casting votes.

Are you still in the "Afterlife" thread? Dead people don't cast ballots.
Thin Allegations of ‘Dead People’ Voting
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The justification for that is, we don't want votes to be tampered with.

How would votes be "tampered with" when placed in a locked box? Ballot drop boxes are built to be secure — they're not cardboard boxes sitting on a street corner. Electronic security should be installed as a backup in any case.
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The justification for that is, we don't want dead people casting votes.

They don't. This law means partisan poll watchers could challenge an unlimited number of living voters as well.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 05:29 am
@hightor,

all he ever has to offer is fox news talking points, yet he has the gall to say he's a democrat...
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 06:26 am
@Region Philbis,
It is a credit to Fox News that you think of them when you think of facts.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 06:28 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
But there's no evidence that election workers change ballots.

There's also no evidence that they don't.

That's what happens when progressives block election security. There's no way to know whether cheating happened or not.


hightor wrote:
Dead people don't cast ballots.

How do you know when there are no security measures to catch it when it happens?


hightor wrote:
How would votes be "tampered with" when placed in a locked box? Ballot drop boxes are built to be secure -- they're not cardboard boxes sitting on a street corner. Electronic security should be installed as a backup in any case.

Who knows, but I'm sure someone could come up with a way.


hightor wrote:
They don't.

How do you know when there is nothing to guard against it?


hightor wrote:
This law means partisan poll watchers could challenge an unlimited number of living voters as well.

Ideally challenges will be subjected to due process.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 06:43 am
@oralloy,
How do you know when there are no security measures to catch it when it happens?[/quote]
Someone would have to accompany the corpse — I think it would be pretty obvious.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 06:59 am
@hightor,
The corpse doesn't actually vote. What happens is progressives show up and vote under the names of the dead people.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 08:08 am
@oralloy,
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What happens is progressives show up and vote under the names of the dead people.


Oh — you mean like this:

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In October, a Luzerne County man — a registered Republican — was charged with felonies after trying to apply for a mail-in ballot in his dead mother’s name.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 10:40 am
@hightor,
Yes. Exactly like that. But possibly on a much larger scale.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 11:17 am
@oralloy,
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But possibly on a much larger scale.


You do realize that this sort of fraud is detectable, right? If Republicans were doing this, as you suggest, on a "much large scale" I think the Democrats would be making a big deal about it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 11:22 am
@hightor,
I don't think it is necessarily detectible. Every time there is a measure to help prevent such fraud, the left fights tooth and nail to prevent it from being adopted.

And you know very well that I did not suggest that it is the Republicans who are doing it on a much larger scale. Shame on you.

How about giving some advice to the person with the missing pet rat? I couldn't think of anything helpful to say and they sound desperate for advice.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2021 11:39 am
@oralloy,
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And you know very well that I did not suggest that it is the Republicans who are doing it on a much larger scale.


Um, this is what you said:
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Yes. Exactly like that. But possibly on a much larger scale.



 

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