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Covid Vaccine Informal Poll and Drinking Society

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2025 10:15 am
@izzythepush,
Yes, I read and understood the article.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2025 10:39 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It wasn't her, it was her mother.
sad that a 23 year-old woman let her mother make the final call...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2025 11:43 am
@Region Philbis,
A 23 year old who had been fed lies and disinformation all her life by an obsessed and controlling mother.

This is an in depth article by the BBC.

Quote:
Why we struggle to protect the young from conspiracy theorist parents


The inquest into the death of Paloma Shemirani, the daughter of a British conspiracy theorist, was like something out of a TV show.

As it unfolded, the medical world clashed with "Conspiracyland", with experienced doctors questioned in courtrooms by people who believe in medical disinformation.

Paloma Shemirani, a Cambridge University graduate from East Sussex, died in July last year - seven months after being diagnosed with non-Hodgkin lymphoma. She had been told conventional treatment would give her a high chance of survival, but rejected chemotherapy in favour of alternative methods, like juices and coffee enemas.

Paloma's twin brother Gabriel has long pointed the finger at their mother Kate. He strongly believes that Kate's beliefs were behind Paloma's decision to reject chemotherapy.

On Thursday, coroner Catherine Wood said Paloma was "highly influenced" by her mother's beliefs - as well as others including a family friend and her dad. They all advocated the alternative treatment she used.

"The influence that was brought to bear on Paloma... did contribute more than minimally to her death," the coroner said.



Significantly more at link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c749d9557j2o
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2025 02:50 pm
I was pointing out some considerations beyond that single case, where second thoughts are often due to other considerations than an ignorant mother.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2025 03:27 pm
@edgarblythe,
My late wife died of cancer too, went through both chemo and radiotherapy and said she would have gone through anythinb to be there for her kids.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2025 05:25 pm
@izzythepush,
Cancer is ruthless. I'm sorry about that. Two of my brothers died of cancer, plus several other relatives and friends.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2025 06:35 am
@edgarblythe,
My youngest was 4 when his mum died, now he's 25. We've had plenty of time to deal with it all, and I get on exceptionally well with my kids.


I think there's a huge difference between someone in advanced years weighing up the effects of treatment and a young person with very good prospects refusing treatment for bullshit reasons.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2025 08:09 am
@izzythepush,
One of my brothers kept himself shut in always, smoking cigarettes all day long. He died of cancer, but the rest of the tragedy is, he killed his wife. She had quit smoking many years before, but she lived with his smoke. She continued living in that smoke contaminated house and she developed the same cancer that killed him. She died several years ago. That kind of unawareness is similar to the mother who rejected chemo for her daughter.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2025 07:44 am
A study refutes myths about increased mortality after mRNA vaccination.

The opposite appears to be true: people who have been vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 actually live significantly longer.

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality Among Adults Aged 18 to 59 Years
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The COVID-19 pandemic, which by early January 2025 has resulted in more than 7 million deaths worldwide, including nearly 170 000 in France, has had a devastating impact on global health, reversing the trend of increasing life expectancy observed over the past decade.1 Vaccination has played a central role in mitigating the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, saving millions of lives globally.2,3 Several ecological studies have reported a significant correlation between higher COVID-19 vaccination coverage and lower all-cause mortality rates.4-7 While the protective effect of vaccines on COVID-19 mortality is well-established,8 concerns remain about long-term vaccine safety.
[... ... ...]
Conclusions and Relevance: In this national cohort study of 28 million individuals, the results found no increased risk of 4-year all-cause mortality in individuals aged 18 to 59 years vaccinated against COVID-19, further supporting the safety of the mRNA vaccines that are widely used worldwide.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2025 09:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,

we've known for quite some time that "people who have been vaccinated against .[insert malady here]. actually live significantly longer".

small-minded individuals who do not trust the science probably do not live as long as those of us who do, on average...
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2025 02:03 am
@Region Philbis,
I saw the report Walter references and that was my comment "you would hope the cohort of people who listen to health care professionals would have a better mortality rate than those who ignore their advice for whatever reason". Correlation not causation. There was a LOT of individual data in that study.

And virtually all of the COVID vaccinations in France were/are mRNA.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2025 11:33 pm
https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/d5/f5/0b/d5f50bb50f9d44e562a7418d3b533a1c.jpg
Tai Chi
 
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2026 10:18 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

https://i.pinimg.com/1200x/d5/f5/0b/d5f50bb50f9d44e562a7418d3b533a1c.jpg


Coming to you from the great beyond.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2026 01:53 pm
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is clearly not satisfied with cancelling vaccination programmes and spreading conspiracy theories. Now he is picking a fight with his German counterpart.

Kennedy Jr. criticizes Germany over corona proceedings
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US Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has criticized the German government for criminal proceedings in connection with the corona pandemic and accused it of disregarding the autonomy of patients. For this reason, he sent a letter to German Health Minister Nina Warken on Friday, he announced on the X platform. He incorrectly gave the minister's surname as "Workin".

In a video attached to the post, he said that he had learned that "more than 1000 German doctors and thousands of their patients" were currently being prosecuted and punished because they had granted exemptions from wearing masks and vaccinations against Covid-19 during the coronavirus pandemic. "The reports from Germany show that the government is sidelining patient autonomy and restricting people's ability to act on their own beliefs when making medical decisions."


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Kennedy Jr. criticizes Germany over corona proceedings
US Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has criticized the German government for criminal proceedings in connection with the corona pandemic and accused it of disregarding the autonomy of patients. For this reason, he sent a letter to German Health Minister Nina Warken on Friday, he announced on the X platform. He incorrectly gave the minister's surname as "Workin".

In a video attached to the post, he said that he had learned that "more than 1000 German doctors and thousands of their patients" were currently being prosecuted and punished because they had granted exemptions from wearing masks and vaccinations against Covid-19 during the coronavirus pandemic. "The reports from Germany show that the government is sidelining patient autonomy and restricting people's ability to act on their own beliefs when making medical decisions."

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In Germany, numerous cases have ended up in court in various federal states, involving allegations of falsification of vaccination certificates or false certificates for exemption from the mask requirement, for example. However, it was not clear from his post exactly which reports the US minister relied on for his accusations and, in particular, where he got the figures quoted from.

Kennedy Jr. is considered a particularly controversial figure in US President Donald Trump's cabinet. In recent years, the nephew of former US President John F. Kennedy has frequently cast doubt on vaccinations, spread conspiracy theories and made a name for himself with strident statements.


In Germany, numerous cases have ended up in court in various federal states involving allegations of forged vaccination certificates or false certificates exempting people from the obligation to wear masks.
In many cases, doctors have been convicted of criminal offences such as issuing false coronavirus vaccination certificates. A suspended sentence imposed by the Hamburg Regional Court on a doctor who issued dozens of false mask certificates during the coronavirus pandemic became final last November.

However, the US minister's post did not reveal which reports he based his accusations on or where he obtained the figures he cited - those cases and numbers aren't to be found online.
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