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Why do people think President Biden is "ruining America"?

 
 
Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 05:08 am
Hi. I am curious about this. According to https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/
Biden has signed a bunch of executive orders, actions and memorandums to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic and crisis to undo a lot of damage President Trump did.

What "damage" has Biden done so far? How is he "ruining America"? As of the time of the posting of this he's only been in office since January.

Please help. Thank you.

 
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 05:44 am
@JGoldman10,
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What "damage" has Biden done so far? How is he "ruining America"?


Can you show where the link says anything about the "damage" Biden is doing or how he's "ruining America"? It just lists his executive orders, so far. If ou you've heard or read this somewhere else just try to determine the political bias of the source. "Ruining" or "damaging" the country will mean very different things to a disappointed Trump supporter than to a Biden supporter. But rather than trying to blame one individual, consider the possibility that the United States of America simply ruined itself.
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revelette3
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 08:16 am
@JGoldman10,
Since Biden is not ruining America I don't think your question is legitimate. What people think Biden is ruining American other than the GOP and Trump supporters? Where is the poll? As you say, he hasn't even been office for three months, kind of early to know the long term results of his policies.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 08:28 am
@revelette3,
Unfortunately there are a lot of things Mr Goldman is completely clueless about, the partisan nature of American politics being just one of them.
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thack45
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 12:14 pm
@JGoldman10,
In the US political duopoly, whoever is not "in charge" will make the case that the other is ruining the country. To hear some tell it (and then in a few years; the others), the united states has been on the precipice for most of its existence. This is the cycle of a self-dealing political system that has set itself up to crush any outside competition.
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wisebody
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 01:31 pm
@JGoldman10,
He is a socialist minded USA wrecking ball that would rather bring in a bunch of illegal immigrants for votes instead of cleaning up the bloodsuckers.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 01:37 pm
You see that Mr Goldman, unreasoning partisan politics based on fear, paranoia, bigotry and ignorance.

Biden is not a Socialist. I’m a Socialist I know what Socialists are like and Biden is far too much of a woolly liberal.

A real Socialist would go about nationalising utilities and healthcare like the Labour Government did in 1946.

Biden has done nothing like that.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 02:04 pm
@wisebody,
He's going to have to wait quite a while for those children to be old enough to vote!
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decrement
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2021 02:10 pm
@JGoldman10,
Bush/Cheney administration rushed forward unprecedented government powers in response to 9/11. Americans found their rights trampled, stuck in expensive permanent wars instead of domestic investment in our infrastructure and our people. When Obama/Biden ran the blowout enthusiasm was for a candidate who would restore order, undo the expansive Patriot Act overreach, dismantle the surveillance state and domestic spying abuses out of our intelligence agencies.

Nope. The criticisms of Obama by anti-war Democrats is because he never followed through on promises made. Instead took the helm of that fully functional death-star and *took the controls for himself*. We saw establishment Dems climb into bed with the corrupt intel agencies and corporations that abused us so bad in prior decades. With the bank bailouts on top of that there was sense of betrayal. Deceit weighs heavy.

Further compounded by international outrages such as the raid on Kim Dotcoms home in New Zealand. Kim had never set foot in the US. He's an unsavory character. Essentially guilty of running a competing service to Drop Box. Through the State Department the US put massive pressure on their government to carry out the raid. As lawsuits moved forward it was clear the entire scenario was improper. Up there with the persecution of Assange in terms of injustice. The question is why would America burn so much political capital to carry out that raid? Kim's great offense was crudely telling the US entertainment industry to go f themselves when they'd made demands of him for decades. Kim's take was he was not a US citizen nor subject to US laws, thus the US entertainment industries nasty letters sent by legal could go pound sand. That brings us to Biden. When DMCA passed that was Biden's baby. Delivered legislative tools to the entertainment industry to hammer the Google's and tech platforms on copyright infringements, automate takedown requests, and there was no teeth in the bill for false flags. Tech companies get raked over the coals with fines but no recourse if the entertainment industry messed it up. As result, entertainment industry outsourced the task to third parties and we continue complaining about false copyright strikes to today. Biden has long been the go to contact when the entertainment industry wanted something done in DC, thus the whole mess lands at his feet widely considered evident he's a corrupt party that can't be trusted. Tech/Law blog Techdirt, platform that coined phrase 'Streisand Effect', has archives that cover all of this in detail.

That sets up 2016. In every way the election can be summarized as what happens when the population feels ignored and their issues unrepresented by government. That was the rocket fuel behind Bernie in the polls. When Bernie was dragged out back and put down in what appeared to be a non-transparent process, that put support behind Trump. If you can't get Bernie then send a bull into the china shop to smash up the Ivory Tower. A uncouth option was selected purposefully, because a whole lot of people see the establishment left and right as worse than the worst labels pinned on Trump.

In that viewpoint the louder establishment figures cried and theatrically whipped up performative outrage to harm Trump, okay great. Establishment sucked. Our elites suck. A reckoning is necessary. Must be something good taking place.

The loud "damnit" from the antifa types to the trump types is we're now back to square 1, hard to bridge that divide but here we are. The establishment types who had total control after 9/11 are now back in power and they're securing their systems, making elections even less transparent, so that no outside candidate can get in and challenge their system in the future. We've voted back into power the War party and will get War. And probably VAT taxes to go with that.

What does not get enough appreciation is how fundamentally different our media industries are today. In 1990 information distribution became essentially free. This destroyed business model for the companies who previously held monopoly on ability to distribute news. Suddenly anyone can create and pump out their own information from their living room. The first change was cut funding meant journalists and their research teams were fired. Couldn't afford them anymore and remain profitable. They were replaced by massively scaling up sensational reality-tv style bloggers. The game is now optimize sensationalized outrage and fear inducing stories. Spam viral trends for clicks as rapidly as possible. That process leads to what we're observing today with social media dunking culture of the blue checkmarks. Our problems are those of abundance. If you eat junk food all day you become unhealthy. Something similar happens with junk food information. Consume those exciting dopamine inducing fear and outrage stories all day, that repetition creates a widespread distorted view on reality. Information is free, there's so much out there that whatever your favorite rage inducing drama is you can read a brand new story on that topic every day. We've now got those up in arms over exceedingly rare events as outlets compete to sensationalize the topic the most in the fight for your attention and time. In this new media environment, accuracy doesn't matter. All that matters is attention and influence through performative emotion. There's signs that at highest levels of government and business that skewed perspective has set in.

We had a crap outsider and joined the dominant establishments "resistance" to restore their fading empire to securely holding their throne. Long Live the Establishment.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 12 May, 2021 10:45 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
Since Biden is not ruining America I don't think your question is legitimate. What people think Biden is ruining American other than the GOP and Trump supporters?

He could be legitimately asking why Trump supporters think that Joe Biden is ruining America.

And, while Joe Biden isn't ruining America, he certainly wants to do so. The only reason why he isn't is because people won't let him.
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JGoldman10
 
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Reply Thu 13 May, 2021 04:23 am
What's Biden doing to eliminate systematic racism in America?
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goldberg
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2021 09:35 pm
Biden is a nice person, not members of the progressive wing of his party. AOC and Bernie Sanders want to erode the rule of law by dragging the Democratic Party towards totalitarianism; Viktor Orban would call it rule by decree.

In other words, Biden appears to have become a marionette, with AOC , Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris pulling strings behind the scenes. I think Biden also knows this; that's why he once called Kamala Harris our president. Problem is, he is too old to "kick against the pricks" even he is supposed to be the leader of his party.

I don't know if Trump wants to run it again or not. America just needs to find another leader willing to take on far-left activism. You can't let AOC dissuade people from embracing democracy. And you have to come out telling AOC, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders America is a land of freedom; both liberals and conservatives don't want to be their slaves.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2021 09:55 pm
@goldberg,
It is a little ridiculous to put Kamala Harris in the same camp as Bernie or AOC. Kamala isn't even really a progressive.

For that matter I don't think AOC is in the same league as Bernie Sanders.
goldberg
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2021 10:01 pm
@maxdancona,
They belong to the same camp if you ask moi. Biden is not one of them. The sticking point is you can't find another strong-willed leader like Ronald Reagan or Hilary Clinton willing to take on the progressive wing. Pelosi is just a wallflower or fence-sitter.

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goldberg
 
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Reply Fri 14 May, 2021 10:07 pm
@maxdancona,
I also scolded Trump last year. Now I have a different idea. America needs a president who only cares about America's national interests.

The UN is a rabbit hole; America doesn't have to respect a bunch of well-paid bureaucrats. Trump did the right thing when he cocked a snook at them.
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