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How stupid is Trump?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 5 Aug, 2023 07:33 am
The chickens come home to roost.


https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/53TFTVMDYZAGJIZQNKRC5LUKYQ_size-normalized.jpg
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2023 04:18 am
https://i.imgur.com/osgBwuu.jpg
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2023 05:38 am
@hightor,
Donald Trump: threatening social media post flagged by prosecutors in court filing

Donald Trump: threatening social media post flagged by prosecutors in court filing
Prosecutors have asked ex-president be banned from sharing evidence with unauthorized people after post on Truth Social

Edwin Rios
@edwin_d_rios
Sun 6 Aug 2023 02.35 AEST
Federal prosecutors asked a judge on Friday for a protective order limiting what Donald Trump and his team can say about the criminal case against him, citing a social media from the former president stating: “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!”

A Trump spokesperson said in a statement late Friday night that the ex-president’s post was the “definition of political speech” protected by the constitution’s first amendment and that it did not have to do with the criminal case. Instead, it was directed toward interest groups.

Prosecutors’ request for the protective order came a day after Trump pleaded not guilty to charges that he orchestrated a criminal conspiracy to forcibly overturn his 2020 election loss to Joe Biden which culminated in his supporters’ January 6, 2021 attack on the US Capitol. Trump had also sworn in court that he would not intimidate witnesses.

Full story
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2023 05:43 am
https://i.imgur.com/6KptV13.jpeg
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2023 10:54 am

https://iili.io/HtcIgwb.jpg
Mame
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2023 11:20 am
@Region Philbis,
Good one!
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 6 Aug, 2023 01:59 pm
From Jeff Tiedrich on twitter

Trump supporters: "I SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE HE MEANS WHAT HE SAYS"

Trump lawyers: "DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T MEAN WHAT HE SAID"
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 10:37 am

Judge dismisses Trump’s counter defamation lawsuit against E. Jean Carroll
(cnn)

Laughing



Mame
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 11:46 am
@Region Philbis,
He's certainly paying a lot to lawyers who fail. And that's a good thing <snicker>.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 11:47 am
@Mame,
You mean he started paying them?
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 11:49 am
@Mame,
I don't necessarily think the lawyers failed. I believe the system worked. I don't like it when someone beats the system!
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 01:18 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

I don't necessarily think the lawyers failed. I believe the system worked. I don't like it when someone beats the system!


Well said, Bill.

Thanks.
Mame
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 01:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Absolutely they should have failed. What I was gloating about was all the money he's allegedly spending for nothing but failure after failure. I applaud these justices who are throwing them out.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 04:44 pm
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e9/0f/a5/e90fa53c36cf139da2fa66a0494c19de.jpg
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coluber2001
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 05:20 pm
If you go after me, I’m coming after you!
https://i.imgflip.com/1m2uj4.jpg
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 7 Aug, 2023 05:44 pm
@coluber2001,

https://iili.io/HtwXTge.png
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2023 05:24 am
Quote:
At Donald Trump’s arraignment last Thursday for trying to overturn the result of the 2020 election, magistrate judge Moxila A Upadhyaya warned him that he could be taken into custody if he violated the conditions of his release, including attempting to influence jurors or intimidate future witnesses.

Calling him “Mr Trump” rather than President Trump – thereby emphasizing that he was being treated as any criminal defendant would be treated – she said:

“I want to remind you that it is a crime to try to influence a juror or to threaten or attempt to bribe a witness or any other person who may have information about your case, or to retaliate against anyone for providing information about your case to the prosecution, or to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice.”

The judge then warned Trump: “You have heard your conditions of release. It is important you comply. You may be held pending trial in this case if you violate the conditions of release.”

She asked Trump: “Do you understand these warnings and consequence, sir? Are you prepared to comply?”

Trump responded: “Yes.”

But not 24 hours later, Trump posted on social media a message that could be understood as an attempt to influence potential jurors or retaliate against any witness prepared to testify against him: He wrote: “IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!”

On Friday evening, prosecutors from the office of special counsel Jack Smith asked the court for a protective order to stop Trump from making public any of the information they were about to deliver to his lawyers under the discovery phase of the upcoming criminal trial, such as the names of witnesses who will testify against him.

They noted that such protection was “particularly important” because Trump “has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys and others associated with legal matters pending against him”.

Citing his social media message from earlier in the day, they argued that publishing such information “could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses”. The prosecutors included a screenshot of Trump’s threatening post from that same evening.

On Saturday, the presiding judge in the case, Judge Tanya Chutkan, ordered that Trump’s lawyers respond to the prosecutor’s request for a protective order by 5pm Monday.

All through the weekend, Trump continued to threaten potential witnesses.

“WOW, it’s finally happened! Liddle’ Mike Pence, a man who was about to be ousted as Governor Indiana until I came along and made him VP, has gone to the Dark Side,” he posted Saturday.

And Trump hasn’t stopped attempting to obstruct justice.

On Sunday he called Jack Smith “deranged”, and in another all-caps message he accused Smith of waiting to bring the case until “right in the middle” of his election campaign.

In another post he asserted that he would never get a “fair trial” with Chutkan and jurors from Washington DC.

These statements directly violate the conditions of Trump’s release pending trial.

They also could inflame Trump supporters, thereby endangering those who are trying to administer justice, such as Smith and Chutkan, as well as potential witnesses like Pence.

It’s going to get a lot worse unless Chutkan – on her own initiative or at the urging of prosecutors – orders Trump’s lawyers to show cause why his release pending trial should not be revoked, in light of his repeated violation of the conditions of his release.

This would at least put Trump on notice that he will be treated like any other criminal defendant who violates conditions of release pending trial.

That’s what the rule of law is all about.

At this moment, about 400,000 criminal defendants are in jail in the United States awaiting trial because they didn’t meet a condition of their release.

Trump is now under the supervision of the court, as would be any criminal defendant after an arraignment.

But he will continue to test the willingness and ability of the court to treat him like any other criminal defendant unless he’s reined in.

The court must fully assert the rule of law during these proceedings, even if that requires threatening Trump with jail pending his trial. And if he continues to refuse to abide by the conditions of his release, it might be time to actually jail him.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/07/will-donald-trump-be-jailed-before-trial<br />
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2023 12:52 pm
On Trump's legal fees
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Donald Trump’s political action committee has spent more than $40 million on legal fees related to his and his associates’ legal troubles during the first half of 2023, according to the Washington Post. That’s a staggering amount, and worth pausing for a second to consider.

Let’s say, for example, that Trump paid his lawyers an average of $1,200 an hour—the kind of fee one might pay for a partner at a major New York firm. Forty million dollars could pay for 33,300 hours of such work. That’s 833 40-hour work weeks—or 16 years of work. And that’s assuming only top-dollar attorneys. For perspective, in 2021 and 2022 combined, the Trump PAC spent just $16 million on legal matters.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2023 01:06 pm
https://www.heraldnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/33533687_web1_M-0808-trumputin-komar-1024x682.jpg
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jespah
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2023 02:27 pm
@engineer,
I used to audit law firms for a major insurance company (from '95 to '98 and then I was in-house training other auditors for another year and then working as a data analyst in '99 and very early '00). It's not a fun job. I've had stuff thrown at me.

Still, I would love to go back to it and audit his lawyers' books. Because if they're billing 16 years' worth of work in 6 months, then that should be the equivalent of 32 top dollar attorneys devoting 100% of their time to these matters.

Not junior associates and not even paralegals.

Even if we throw in a cheaper biller here and there (and you would need a few in order to match the dollar amount), we're still easily left with over 20 top dollar lawyers on these matters for 100% of their time.

That's a lot, even for complex matters.

How many times did top dollar lawyers bill for junk like scheduling depositions or filing uncontested motions with the courts? Those are the kinds of things that paralegals or clerks/secretaries do, or even very junior associates/law students. Giving scut work to top dollar lawyers is a pretty classic way to overcharge a client.
 

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