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If you are from Australia, shut the hell up about racism in the US.

 
 
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:34 am
It pisses me off that we have people from Australia lecturing the US on racism. Indigenous Australians are being killed by police. Indigenous cultures are still being dismantled to this day. And yet Australians want to talk about George Floyd because griping about America means they don't have to deal with their own problems.

The United States admits its history of Slavery. As messy as it is, the United States has a civil rights movement and an open discussion about race.

Australia still has trouble even admitting its history of slavery.

And then there is the horrible treatment of refugees by a racist Australian government.

I have no problem with addressing the real problems with race in my own country. I accept the problems, I understand the changes my culture is going through, I understand and accept the awful parts of the history of my own Country.

But these racist Australian hypocrites who know nothing, and can't even accept their own history can butt out. It arrogance on top of arrogance... Australia has absolutely nothing to say to the United States.

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farmerman
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:56 am
@maxdancona,
Many of the Australians just seem to pontificate from ignorance, a few listen and discuss intelligently . It all has to do with understanding our two countries separate histories.
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ascribbler
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 09:12 am
@maxdancona,
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But these racist Australian hypocrites who know nothing


I totally concur.

If Australian racists wanted to say something about US racism then that would be illogical.

Name and shame these naysayers.

Not dealing with their problems but griping about others is ridiculous.

Most of their slaves arrived on ships from England.

Australia is probably almost as bad as Canada.
justaguy2
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 09:24 am
@maxdancona,
Well actually maxdancona, I've stated numerous times, in numerous threads here that the US isn't the only country in the world that has problems with racism, but not limited to racism. I've even explicitly mentioned Australia as another country that has some racist police officers, poor treatment of Indigenous people here by police, etc. Would you like me to provide some links to those posts? Quite happy to dig up at least a few for you if you'd like.

It's also a public forum, so you can't actually dictate who can and can't post to threads here. You are also being racist yourself by singling out Australians in relation to calling out racism in the US. Why haven't you included other countries? Why just Australia?

We also don't see providing health care and social services to those in need of it as "socialism", unlike people like you in the US do. That's the difference. In any case, it's not really anyone else's problem if you don't like what you're reading here/getting told.
farmerman
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 09:39 am
@justaguy2,
no hes not. He is calling attention to one or maybe two folks who try to be judgemental about racist policies in OUR govt yet ignoring the facts from their own. We get a little annoyed at some of the Australins, and Brits an Canadians who "lecture us" so piously when most of our own racist policies were derivative of the motha country
tsarstepan
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 09:43 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:


The United States admits its history of Slavery. As messy as it is, the United States has a civil rights movement and an open discussion about race.

You're so desperate to be the uniting centrist/Jesus figure that you're blind to a ton of crap trying the "very fine people on both sides" reasoning. Take a bloody look at how red states whitewash slavery in their high school textbooks. They do mention slavery but portrays the institutional practice along the lines of how slavery is depicted in Gone with the Wind and Song of the South: just a mild case of pleasantry where slaves appreciated the free food and shelter provided for their (implied voluntary) work.

This slavery wasn't that bad mentality still exists in the conservative worldview where they delusionally refuse to believe in the dangerous level of institutional racism that exists across the country (at all levels and every state- red and blue).

So yeah? Liberal minded individuals from Australia do have a right to criticize us, especially if they are self-aware and acknowledge their own country's evil practices.
farmerman
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 09:51 am
@tsarstepan,
We all hve right to criticize each others public ploicies. I agree with max that they was its being done here is almost from some waay higher moral pedestal .
The fact is weve been more open about our problems more than anyone else. They could learn from us.
justaguy2
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 09:52 am
@farmerman,
And the British also burnt down half of Washington at at least one point in history too... I don't see the OP complaining about that. They explicitly singled out Australia, not the UK, not Canada, Australia, and only Australia. That's the problem with the OP. So it's really just more nationalistic bullshit from the OP who seems to think that the US is superior to every other country. Not to mention the fact that the US continually "lectures" other countries about various things, like democracy, when the US is a flawed democracy that actively discourages African-Americans in particular from just trying to vote, by introducing laws deliberately designed to deny them their voting rights.

So this is just yet another snide and hypocritical post from the OP. And the OP isn't fooling me, even if they are fooling you.
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maxdancona
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 10:31 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

We all hve right to criticize each others public ploicies. I agree with max that they was its being done here is almost from some waay higher moral pedestal .
The fact is weve been more open about our problems more than anyone else. They could learn from us.


Actually they Are learning from us.

Black Lives Matter is an unquestionably American movement. There is no question that the Black Lives Matter movement was started by Americans, for Americans and in an American cultural context. And now, Black Lives Matter is a thing in Australia.

The world is on board with this American movement. Harriet Tubman, Martin Luther King, Colin Kaepernick, Cesar Chavez ... does anyone want to add an Australian to this list?

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maxdancona
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 10:43 am
To answer the question; Why am I picking on Australia?

Because the most clueless, patronizing, ideologically pure posters on this site seem to all be Australians. The most self-righteous White saviors here always turn out to be Australian.

I bet most of them parroting politics from the US have never even been to the United States and have no clue about actual American culture.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 11:09 am
@maxdancona,
You oughta get a feel about Canada's past handling of indigenous people. On their behalf They have learnt their lessons and hqve turned the page earlier than we
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tsarstepan
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 11:19 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

What do you have against Canada? Canada treats their indigenous populations with respect, they admit their history (which is quite a bit less brutal than Australia) and doesn't run internment camps for refugees in 2020.

Comparing Australia and Canada for racism is like comparing Finland and Mozambique for snow fall.


I don't religiously follow Canadian news and I'm aware of how bad it is.

A bloody Google search basically was all it takes to prove you freaking naive as hell.

Especially during Trudeau's (he's no perfect angel so remove him from his saintly bound pedestal) benevolent reign as Canada's PM.

Canada's race problem? It's even worse than America's.

Why fixing First Nations education remains so far out of reach
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On Aug. 17, the body of 15-year-old Tina Fontaine was pulled from Winnipeg’s Red River. Police divers had been scouring the waterway in search of Faron Hall, a well-known homeless man who drowned in the river, when they discovered Fontaine. She had been murdered, her body wrapped in a bag. Her death has renewed calls for a public inquiry into the disappearance and murder of aboriginal women and girls.


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Half of First Nations children live in poverty, with rates reaching as high as 64 per cent of children in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. They are far more likely to grow up in communities racked with violence, live in overcrowded housing and lack access to clean drinking water. Nine of Canada’s 10 most violent communities are Aboriginal, according to Statistics Canada’s violent crime index, as are 92 of Canada’s 100 poorest communities.

Deep poverty and domestic violence have pushed many Aboriginal youth toward a life of crime. Compared to non-Native Canadians, Aboriginal youth are seven times more likely to be victims of homicide, five times more likely to commit suicide and twice as likely to die an alcohol-related death. A rising number of Native teenagers are in custody: in 1997, just 12 per cent of young offenders in custody were Aboriginal. Today, it’s one in three.

That’s if they make it to their teenage years at all. The infant mortality rate is double the Canadian average, and Native children are at higher risk of a wide array of serious health problems, from cavities in toddlers, to substance abuse, HIV infections, tuberculosis and chlamydia. Aboriginal girls are at greater risk of sexual assault, domestic violence and teenage pregnancies. The number of children taken from their homes by child welfare authorities now exceeds the number taken at the height of the residential-school era, says Cindy Blackstock, executive director of the First Nations Child and Family Caring Society. Aboriginal children are 10 times more likely to be placed in foster care than the Canadian average and make up half of the roughly 60,000 kids in care.

So how, in one of the richest, most progressive countries in the world–where non-Native youth seem to have the world at their fingertips–is this allowed to happen? Even Ottawa has admitted Canada’s Aboriginal population has essentially become entrenched as second-class citizens. In a federal government study comparing Aboriginal communities to the United Nations’ Human Development Index, an international measure of quality of life, Canada ranked eighth, between the U.S. and Japan. The Inuit population, meanwhile, ranked 63rd, slightly better than Libya, while First Nations reserve communities ranked 72nd, on par with Romania.


Five charts that show what systemic racism looks like in Canada

https://imgur.com/Jzyt8wC.jpg

Canadians and Americans: Who Is More Racist?



maxdancona
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 11:39 am
@tsarstepan,
This is my Australia bashing thread (because the Australians here are so self-righteous and annoying). You can start your own Canada bashing thread if you want... although the Canadians here seem to be decent. I don't have anything against Canadians.

Of course the source of White Supremacy in all three countries is England. It was English Colonial rule and the feelings of English cultural superiority that led to the genocides in Australia and North America and instituted African slavery. White Supremacy in the US is still informed by English supremacy (and the White Supremacists will tell you this plainly).

If you want to say who is truly responsible for the most brutal racism (at least in Australia, Canada and the United States), it is England.


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farmerman
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 12:41 pm
@9wtm,
no ****?
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maxdancona
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 01:09 pm
@9wtm,
I am a little curious about where you are actually from. When you say "I'm from Norfolk", that could place you in England, Australia, New Zealand, Canada or any of six states in the US.

As long as you are not from Australia, it's all good.
Tryagain
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 01:34 pm
@maxdancona,
G'day cobbler, how're ye doin' then, been flat out like a lizard drinking, ore was it that the Sydney Swans hammered Collingwood on Saturday? I doubt you know the difference between a 'dunny' and a 'khazi'. Be careful when you follow the masses. Sometimes the 'm' is silent.

To prove how much we care, Google Oz has removed Uluru virtual walk from Street View - Ripper!
maxdancona
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2020 03:44 pm
@Tryagain,
I don't know much about Australia, other than reading about the shame practices with immigrant internment camps and the continued disruption of indigenous communities.

But these are international stories... and even though I have my opinion, I have to accept that when I am talking about Australian culture or politics, that I don't know very much. I have never been to Australia, and most of what I know about Australia I learned from watching "The Adventures of Priscilla..." (and of course... Crocodile Dundee).

But then I don't go onto predominantly Australian websites to spout off my uninformed opinions of Australian culture and politics.

If I did, I would expect the real Australians to call me an asshole (or whatever the Australian equivalent of asshole is).

justaguy2
 
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Fri 25 Sep, 2020 06:49 am
@farmerman,
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They could learn from us.


I actually agree with you here... not only Australia, but any other sane country could learn [from the US of A] what NOT to do. Like for example...

* Electing a complete narcissist as leader of the country.
* Allowing any and every nutcase to have whatever weapons and guns they like.
* Shooting protesters and police officers sitting in their patrol cars.
* Looting and burning down half of the city.
* Bringing in laws to suppress voting rights of minorities.

...should I go on?
 

 
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