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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 02:32 pm
St. Augustine said it best, "What then is time? If no one asks me, I know what it is. If I wish to explain it to him who asks, I do not know."
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John Jones
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 02:46 pm
Anonymouse wrote:
St. Augustine said it best, "What then is time? If no one asks me, I know what it is. If I wish to explain it to him who asks, I do not know."


Hawkins and the other idiots are not in the same class as me. Once we get over preconceptions of 'time', it's project solved.
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rewrite
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 03:14 pm
So often, our objects of adoration are not pro-harmony exemplars. Our tales do not quiet us, do not encourage the calm reflection upon the path that brought us here, nor upon the needs of the journey ahead. We think not about the breadth of this world, nor our own existence within it. And whereas in olden days, these tales were relatively rare, encouraging us to reflect and entertain ourselves with our own imagination and experimentation; we watch hours and hours of these anti-harmony, anti-reflectiveness tales every week. It is indeed a small wonder we so often see our world falling apart, our civilization as weak, and ourselves as flawed creatures.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2005 06:53 am
akaMechsmith wrote:
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I have also noticed that if the speed of time is fixed then "c" varies all over the place.


Even if the fixed value is zero?

The second of difference from top to bottom of the empire state building doesn't prove anything other than that space and matter are relative.
Matter farther away from the source of gravity is less restrained by it, so it will unfold differently. Note that the clock shows a difference, but that the building itself does not. The top hasn't slid one second in relation to the bottom. To preform an accurate measurement the two clocks would have to be calibrated to different external influences. I bet the time difference they showed would evaporate then.

Time is the sum of space and matter. If we assume that the amount of matter in the universe is fixed, then space, wich according to the relativity theory is created by the matter in it, is also fixed. The only variations are internal, space can change it's shape, matter it's form, but they can never become more or less. As a result, time is a fixed value. The notion of the oposite comes from measuring only part of matter and part of space, and not equal parts every time.

So I'd say that time is knowledge derived from facts.
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2005 06:01 pm
Cyracuz,

I damned sure don't know. Hawkings seems to postulate that at the edge of a "black hole" "time" would stand still. I am afraid that also would be different due to an observers location. (within the event horizon or outside it.)

Then I read him to imply that time is dependent on the speed of light Question

If the Empire Clocks accuracy were location dependent then that would be a clear answer. But they are dependent upon the oscillations of a cesium atom. Confused

So if a unit of time is taken to be the difference in the number of atomic oscillations between two arbitrarily chosen points then the speed of light also would vary due to gravity. (Pendulum clocks do behave this way)

In this case time is also location dependent. (Lots of good science fiction based on time travel, but your "atomic engine" probably wouldn't work; or perhaps work too good Exclamation

John, What preconception of time do you think that I could be beneficially bereft of Question

And have you conceded that time may exist Question Then we can try to define it, hopefully in a satisfactory (plausible) manner. I wouldn't put too much on it though. Everybody that I know who has tried has had to step outside our observable universe a tad. Crying or Very sad
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John Jones
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 12:32 pm
akaMechsmith wrote:
Cyracuz,

I damned sure don't know. Hawkings seems to postulate that at the edge of a "black hole" "time" would stand still. I am afraid that also would be different due to an observers location. (within the event horizon or outside it.)

Then I read him to imply that time is dependent on the speed of light Question

If the Empire Clocks accuracy were location dependent then that would be a clear answer. But they are dependent upon the oscillations of a cesium atom. Confused

So if a unit of time is taken to be the difference in the number of atomic oscillations between two arbitrarily chosen points then the speed of light also would vary due to gravity. (Pendulum clocks do behave this way)

In this case time is also location dependent. (Lots of good science fiction based on time travel, but your "atomic engine" probably wouldn't work; or perhaps work too good Exclamation

John, What preconception of time do you think that I could be beneficially bereft of Question

And have you conceded that time may exist Question Then we can try to define it, hopefully in a satisfactory (plausible) manner. I wouldn't put too much on it though. Everybody that I know who has tried has had to step outside our observable universe a tad. Crying or Very sad


If the rate of time (?) increased everywhere, how would we notice it?
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rewrite
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 12:57 pm
The Lord Would Certainly Not Be a Democrat

There is one thing certain we can state, based upon the integrity of Bible truth. Jesus would never endorse or be a member of any party whose platform supports abortion, gay rights, and a general hostility to Bible-believing Christians.

Another thing can be confidently stated, based upon observations of current facts about American politics. The Democrat Party would never have Jesus as a member. Much of the basis for that observation is found in the issues mentioned above.

The Democrats' leadership consistently supports abortion--or, as they term it, "the right to choose." They continue to support homosexual activists and their "gay rights" causes, a debased, debauched lifestyle that God calls abominable. Democrats defend pornography as art that comes under the heading of "free speech."

This political party comes down on the side of liberal federal judges who have ruled that God should be thrown out of the public places of America. These judges --and the Democratic Party by supporting them--declare "The Ten Commandments," "In God We Trust" on our currency, and "One nation, under God" in the "Pledge of Allegiance" dangerous to our school children and our society.
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John Jones
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 01:58 pm
rewrite wrote:
The Lord Would Certainly Not Be a Democrat

There is one thing certain we can state, based upon the integrity of Bible truth. Jesus would never endorse or be a member of any party whose platform supports abortion, gay rights, and a general hostility to Bible-believing Christians.

Another thing can be confidently stated, based upon observations of current facts about American politics. The Democrat Party would never have Jesus as a member. Much of the basis for that observation is found in the issues mentioned above.

The Democrats' leadership consistently supports abortion--or, as they term it, "the right to choose." They continue to support homosexual activists and their "gay rights" causes, a debased, debauched lifestyle that God calls abominable. Democrats defend pornography as art that comes under the heading of "free speech."

This political party comes down on the side of liberal federal judges who have ruled that God should be thrown out of the public places of America. These judges --and the Democratic Party by supporting them--declare "The Ten Commandments," "In God We Trust" on our currency, and "One nation, under God" in the "Pledge of Allegiance" dangerous to our school children and our society.


What's the US democrats and Jesus got to do with this thread - or are US democrats and Jesus universally relevant?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 03:44 pm
rewrite wrote:
The Lord Would Certainly Not Be a Democrat

There is one thing certain we can state, based upon the integrity of Bible truth. Jesus would never endorse or be a member of any party whose platform supports abortion...,


The Democrats' leadership consistently supports abortion--or, as they term it, "the right to choose."

Democrats defend pornography as art that comes under the heading of "free speech."




I suppose you are basing the part of this rant dealing with homosexuality and pornogrophy on what Jesus had to say about those two things....right???

Allow me to quote exactly what Jesus had to say about "abortion" and "pornography."














And I quoted him in its entirety!
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rewrite
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 06:57 pm
I'm a hooker, I'm your priest
I'm you brand new disease
I'm Satan with distortion, your overdue abortion
And now I'm singing out of key, the God of your T.V.
And all you children will worship me
So give me drugs, your bitches, and your S.T.D's
I'm wicked and addicted, middle-finger double-fisted
I'm neurotic drug-induced and chemically abused
Cut my throat and watch me bleed
Addicted tragedy
And I hate you and you hate me
Wipe the snot onto my sleeve
For I'm your new disease
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2005 06:51 pm
John,
Wavelengths of light would change. Triangulated distances to celestial objects would change, as opposed to a measureable change due to gravities. Perceived colors would change.

It seems strange but even the color of a leaf is dependent upon the wavelength of reflected light, which in turn is affects the number of wave cycles that pass a given point in a certain interval of "time".

But anyways, back to the thread. Can we agree that "time" is a "real" component of the universe, or is it merely a human belief devised by employers to make employees work harder Question Very Happy
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2005 07:29 pm
Rewrite,


In the Old Testament directions on how to abort a woman are clearly given.

Since Jesus clearly said that he was not here to change the law, not one whit; Then Christians clearly "believe" that abortion is permitted in cases of suspected female infidelity.

In case someone thinks that this is taken out of context read at least Numbers, Chapter 5. (The whole thing)

Except for the human tragegy it's kind of amusing to see Christians boycotting, or worse, abortion clinics.

When one is unable to discriminate between belief and fact it is often regrettably ridiculous.

At the very least if you wish to argue you should have some idea of some facts to support your arguement. At least read the damned book.

I will accept as historical (bibical) fact That Jesus said that which I mentioned.
I will accept as historical (bibical) fact that Numbers, (5) gives directions for an induced abortion.

I will conclude that abortion is an acceptable procedure for Christians.
Agreed Question
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John Jones
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 02:54 am
akaMechsmith wrote:
John,
Wavelengths of light would change. Triangulated distances to celestial objects would change, as opposed to a measureable change due to gravities. Perceived colors would change.

It seems strange but even the color of a leaf is dependent upon the wavelength of reflected light, which in turn is affects the number of wave cycles that pass a given point in a certain interval of "time".

But anyways, back to the thread. Can we agree that "time" is a "real" component of the universe, or is it merely a human belief devised by employers to make employees work harder Question Very Happy


The red shift is only apparant from a slower observer. If everything goes faster there will be no change. Note that here we have to work with the awkward notion that an event that lasts one second is exactly matched to a period of time that lasts one second.
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:03 am
John,
There is purported to exist a phenomenon known as a "gravitational red shift". This has been shown in several examples most notably the viewing of the aparent motion of stars during an eclipse viewed from South Africa in 1929.

There is also a "Doppler red shift". This phenomen is well known to our local traffic police. In Virginia 65 mph in an area zoned for 55mph will cost $140.00 US. I can attest to that fact. Regrettably so Smile

Personally I suspect that this phenomen has a bit to do with our varying perceptions of "time" but I sure haven't figured it out. This doesn't imply that the people who don't understand time is a very exclusive assemblage.

Again I suspect that our perception of time is due to some interaction between the "Doppler" red shift and the "gravitational" one.

Next time Very Happy
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:07 am
I elaborate,

Our perception of time is one in which light waves travel at 186,000 miles per second. (300,000 meters per second)

Does such a place exist or is time purely imaginary?
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John Jones
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 11:54 am
akaMechsmith wrote:
John,
There is purported to exist a phenomenon known as a "gravitational red shift". This has been shown in several examples most notably the viewing of the aparent motion of stars during an eclipse viewed from South Africa in 1929.

There is also a "Doppler red shift". This phenomen is well known to our local traffic police. In Virginia 65 mph in an area zoned for 55mph will cost $140.00 US. I can attest to that fact. Regrettably so Smile

Personally I suspect that this phenomen has a bit to do with our varying perceptions of "time" but I sure haven't figured it out. This doesn't imply that the people who don't understand time is a very exclusive assemblage.

Again I suspect that our perception of time is due to some interaction between the "Doppler" red shift and the "gravitational" one.

Next time Very Happy


The red shift is lengthening of wavelength of the light emitted from an object that is travelling fast. If you travelled with the object the effect is not present.
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rewrite
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 03:28 pm
The abortionist first paralyzes the cervix (womb opening). He then inserts a hollow plastic tube with a knife-like tip into the uterus. The tube is connected to a powerful pump with a suction force 29 times more powerful than a home vacuum cleaner. The procedure tears the baby's body into pieces and the hose frequently jerks as pieces of the baby become lodged. The placenta is then cut from the inner wall of the uterus and the scraps are sucked out into a bottle.
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 07:07 pm
Rewrite,

I suspect that it would be more humane to make a "morning after pill"widely available.

But the result of western thought is to tear babies up, starve infants, deprive children, and murder young men.

Since abortion is blessed by Jesus (according to your book) we really only should be discussing methodology Exclamation
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akaMechsmith
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2005 07:15 pm
John,

"There is reportedly etc--- (previous post) I think that you should look it up if your interested.

Currently we are still wondering if time is real or merely a human construction Confused

Thanks for not noticing a missing kilo Smile
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rewrite
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2005 02:12 pm
What ever make you sleep well at night
My book make me happy, and that is all I can ask out of life
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