Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

You need to take yours off Lash. 4 CIA investigations all reached the same conclusions. THere was nothing to the Niger stories. Go read the Congressional report. There was no way that Iraq was going to be able to buy yellow cake from Niger.

The report BACKED UP THE CIA CONTENTION THAT IT WAS NOT TRUE. GOd almighty you people just make crap up and then believe it.

Is this a talking point handout? Put that in front of a jury and you'd find out what language they're using and it's called logic. A prosecutor wouldn't have to be Perry Mason to win the jury over on that one. How many wives has Wilson got for crying out loud?

Whoa! Hold up, here, Lash.

Are you suggesting that a $1000 contribution to the Democrats makes Plame so prejudiced as to make up stuff or lie about the attempted yellowcake purchase and denegrate the safety of our country?

$1000?

Is that the amount of anyones contribution to a party that gets them labeled partisan? Unbelievable? Liar? Hack?

$1000 donation makes her loyalties clear. As it did with Dan Rather and several other "unbiased" reporters.

Naming an operative is identifying them by name.

Rove was TOLD by reporters what her name was. He didn't give that information to anyone who didn't know. Cooper knew. Novak knew.

It's all over.

He turned out to be right though, that would seem to be important to a seeker of truth.

He was wrong.

His "testimony" made the CIA more convinced Iraq had tried to buy enriched uranium.

Wilson was also a Bush contributer and voted for him in 2000 as has been pointed out already.

Wilson claims have been backed up as has been pointed out already.

On the other hand, Rove and the WH has been hiding Rove's role in this investigation from the US public for two years now.

Today we find out that Rove was Novak's confirming source. He knew Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and he knew that Novak was going to write a story about Wilson's wife. He let that happen without doing anything about it.

Novak already knew, as did everyone in Washington.

Wilson hated Bush. Still does---and his wife talked about the Niger claims as if they were ridiculous BEFORE THE INVESTIGATION. She never meant for there to be a fair investigation.

Rove was innocent of wrong doing. What's to hide?

Do you have a link to your claim that Wilson's claims were backed up?

So wait - Plame's contribution to the Dems makes her partisan and unbelievable, but Wilsons contribution to the Reps makes him ... "someone who hates Bush"?

So I can go to the newspapers tomorrow and tell them that the Third Secretary in the US Embassy in Canberra is a CIA undercover agent as long as I don't mention him by name?

How many wives does he have? LOL

Lash, given that the last story was released by Luskin (Rove's lawyer) perhaps you should wait a minute before crowing that it's all over.



Well, here's two points.

First of all, there are many, many charges that can be filed other than the 'outing of a secret agent' charge. Most notably, Perjury, Conspiracy, and leaking Classified Documents.

Second, confirming the identity of a secret agent when someone calls is essentially the same thing, under the law, as telling them in the first place.

Imagine, a reporter calling up and saying 'is XX a secret agent?' and the person on the other end says, 'yes, they are.' Confirming is pretty akin to telling in the first place from a national security point of view. It should have been denied, that's for sure.

Even more so than that, though, let's remember some facts here.

Novak has stated that he was TOLD her name by his sources and that he 'didn't go digging for it; they though it was useful and GAVE it to me.'

Novak specifically mentioned TWO sources. Who is the other source? How did THEY find out about Plame, in order to give Novak CONFIRMATION? Someone must have told them.

Also, it's hard to forget that Rove was FIRED by Bush sr.'s campaing in '92, and guess what for? That's right, for leaking information to BOB NOVAK. So this isn't what you would call an isolated incident.

I have advised caution to the lefties on this board (myself included) not to think that this is over and done with; that Rove could get off, that the focus could shift elsewhere. I would, in the name of the recent good relations between the two of us, advise the same to you. A story released by Luskin, Rove's Lawyer, is not conclusive proof that Rove is innocent.

Cheers

Cycloptichorn

George Tenet worked at the CIA.

He had a secretary; there were administrators down the hall, receptionists, analysts, and a coterie of other people in varying levels of administration, and what not.

If Rove said George Tenet worked at the CIA, he wouldn't be giving up classified--or litigable--info.

Nor did he with Plame.

This has blown up in the Dem's faces....like everything else.

Going to work. Humiliate you later!!

<God, this is a great day.>

I love hubris

It doesn't "make" him that. He IS that. Do you have proof of that donation-----or are you taking his word for it.

The only person you are humiliating is yourself. LOL

<I'm full of it today, aren't I, goodfielder??? Headlines: Too Good!!! Falling prey to superhuman glee...>


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You don't have proof that he is a 'partisan and unbelievable' either; it just fits your worldview nicely.

Let me remind your of Novak's own words:



One of the major tacks in this case would have come about if the information testified to the grand jury didn't match up.

Novak's account of what happened doesn't match Rove's, and Rove's account doesn't even match up INTERNALLY; he still states he can't remember who he heard the name from.

THis is of course untrue. It should be quite clear who told him the name first; just more lawyerese.

Cycloptichorn

Full of it for sure Lash Note that is a good humoured dig at you, not in any way meant to be nasty or underhanded (I'll save that for when I'm really desperate :wink: )

Make hay, it's summer. Fall may well mean fall.

Source

The Big Lie About Valerie Plame

By Larry Johnson

From: TPMCafe Special Guests
The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.

For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.


Jul 13, 2005 -- 12:47:20 AM EST
A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.

But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.

The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.

At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.