Foxfyre wrote:The Letter to Conyers implies possible wrong doing, but that could be just about anything. It does not explicitly say that Valerie Plame was a covert agent or that she was intentionally outed. That could be inferred, but only by speculation. It meaning could also be an effort to clear up an accusation that somebody intended to commit a crime. We honestly can't know what was in the memo sent over to the DOJ at this time.
It seems that 90% of the investigations conducted through the government are to determine if a crime has been committed much more than they are to convict somebody accused of a crime.
Because of Conyers uncharacteristic silence on this issue, I think it is not beyond all possibilities that it is even Wilson himself who was the subject of that memo:
Admittedly the following is from the official GOP website, but it does pretty well detail all the defense against Wilson's version of the facts:
Thursday, July 14, 2005
Joe Wilson's Top Ten Worst Inaccuracies And Misstatements
1.) Wilson Insisted That The Vice President's Office Sent Him To Niger:
Wilson Said He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice President's Office. "In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report.The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office." (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, "What I Didn't Find In Africa," The New York Times, 7/6/03)
Joe Wilson: "[W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby's Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ..." (CNN's "Late Edition," 8/3/03)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/03/le.00.html
Look at the actual transcipttanscript of the show Mehlman is referring to with the parts Mehlman chose to leave out in bold (we come into the interview with Wolf Blitzer talking to Wilson and about to play a tape of another interview with Condi Rice) ...
Quote:BLITZER: I know you were sent to go on this mission long before the State of the Union Address. When Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, was on this program a few weeks ago, on July 13th, I asked her about your mission. Listen to this exchange I had with her.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DR. CONDOLEEZZA RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I didn't know Joe Wilson was going to Niger. And if you look in Director Tenet's statement, it says that counter-proliferation experts, on their own initiative, sent Joe Wilson. So, I don't know...
BLITZER: Who sent him?
RICE: Well, it was certainly not at a level that had anything to do with the White House.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: Is that true?
WILSON: Well, look, it's absolutely true that neither the vice president nor Dr. Rice nor even George Tenet knew that I was traveling to Niger.[/u]
What they did, what the office of the vice president did, and, in fact, I believe now from Mr. Libby's statement, it was probably the vice president himself...
BLITZER: Scooter Libby is the chief of staff for the vice president.
WILSON: Scooter Libby.
WILSON: They asked essentially that we follow up on this report -- that the agency follow up on the report. So it was a question that went to the CIA briefer from the Office of the Vice President. The CIA, at the operational level, made a determination that the best way to answer this serious question was to send somebody out there who knew something about both the uranium business and those Niger officials that were in office at the time these reported documents were executed.
This is Mehlman's evidence for his claim that "Wilson Falsely Claimed That It Was Vice President Cheney Who Sent Him To Niger."
Foxfyre wrote:2.) Wilson Claimed The Vice President And Other Senior White House Officials Were Briefed On His Niger Report:
"[Wilson] Believed That [His Report] Would Have Been Distributed To The White House And That The Vice President Received A Direct Response To His Question About The Possible Uranium Deal."(Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)
Note what Wilson actually said. Mehlman is distorting what Wilson said, viz., that he
"believed" it should have happened, and claims Wilson actually said it did happen.
He believed it should have happened, not that it did happen. Wilson is castigated for believing that what should have happened didn't happen? Apparently the SIC thought what Wilson believed should have happened too. At least they wrote so in the report section below.
Foxfyre wrote:The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Reported That The Vice President Was Not Briefed On Wilson's Report. "Conclusion 14. The Central Intelligence Agency should have told the Vice President and other senior policymakers that it had sent someone to Niger to look into the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal and it should have briefed the Vice President on the former ambassador's findings." (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)
Foxfyre wrote:3.) Wilson Has Claimed His Niger Report Was Conclusive And Significant
Wilson Claims His Trip Proved There Was Nothing To The Uranium "Allegations." "I knew that [Dr. Rice] had fundamentally misstated the facts. In fact, she had lied about it. I had gone out and I had undertaken this study. I had come back and said that this was not feasible.
This government knew that there was nothing to these allegations." (NBC's, "Meet The Press," 5/2/04)
That is not what he said in his original essay in the NY Times in June 2003. Then, he said:
http://www.robincmiller.com/art-iraq/b59.htm
Quote:"Based on my experience with the administration in the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."
The accusation is yet another time shift distortion taking out of temporal context.
Note that his remarks here were in 5/2/04, almost exactly one year after his initial essay in the NY Times, where he did not say his report proved any such thing. Only after the other two reports by Ambassador Owens-fitzpatrick and 3-Star General Fulford concurred, were revealed, and the IAEA proved the documents were proven as forgeries that Wilson made his statement.
Foxfyre wrote:Officials Said Evidence In Wilson's Niger Report Was "Thin" And His "Homework Was Shoddy." (Michael Duffy, "Leaking With A Vengeance," Time, 10/13/03)
If his work was shoddy, how come the fullness of time proved Wilson correct? What Wilson said was corrborated by the other two reports by the State Dept and DoD? It seems whatever he saw was sufficient to prove the issue, or one must conclude that the other two reports and people who wrote them were also wrong.
Btw: all three were correct, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were wrong.
Foxfyre wrote:Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: "Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassador's Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts' Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal." (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)
"For Most Analysts, The Information In The Report Lent More Credibility To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Report On The Uranium Deal, But State Department Bureau Of Intelligence And Research (INR) Analysts Believed That The Report Supported Their Assessments That Niger Was Unlikely To Be Willing Or Able To Sell Uranium." (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)
Note that those analysts who believed Wilson's report were actually correct.
One should be asking why some of those analysts got is so wrong, not why Wilson (and Ambassador Owens-Fitzgerald and General Fulford) were not believed by those analysts.
The US had three different reports that concluded that Iraq was not trying to buy niger uranium presscakes, not just Wilson's. The IEAE report showed clerarly that the documents were forgeries, the British Intelligence admits it now.
Foxfyre wrote:4.) Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger In 2002:
Wilson Claimed His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA. CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq.
Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger?" Joe Wilson: "No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)
But Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Received Not Only Testimony But Actual Documentation Indicating Wilson's Wife Proposed Him For Trip.
Again and repeatedly, Wilson's wife did not do anything but list her hysband's credentials, and the people the SIC interviewed were NOT the people who made the decision to send him. This is documented in a number of places.
Read what the SIC report actually reports as the remarks made by Plame.
Quote:"My husband has good relations with the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." There is no suggestion or recommendation in that statement that he be sent on the trip. Indeed it is little more than a recitation of his contacts and bona fides.
While the the conclusion is reinforced by comments in the body of the report that a CPD [Counterproliferation Division] reports officer stated that "the former ambassador's wife 'offered up his name'" (page 39) and a State Department intelligence and research officer stated that the "meeting was 'apparently convened by [the former ambassador's] wife who had the idea to dispatch him to use his contacts to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium issue."
In fact, Plame was not in the meeting at which the subject of Wilson's trip was raised. Neither was the CPD reports officer. After having escorted Wilson into the room, she [Plame] departed the meeting to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. It was at that meeting where the question of Wilson's traveling to Niger was broached with him for the first time and came only after a thorough discussion of what the participants did and did not know about the subject. Wilson's bona fides justifying the invitation to the meeting were the trip he had previously taken to Niger to look at other uranium-related questions as well as 20 years living and working in Africa, and personal contacts throughout the Niger government.
Neither the CPD reports officer nor the State analyst were in the chain of command to know who, or how, the decision was made. The interpretations attributed to them are not the full story. In fact, the reports officer has a different conclusion about Plame's role than the one offered in the "additional comments."
This is substantiated in a further report by Newsday reporters Tim Phelps and Knut Royce on July 2003 Newsday article "Columnist Blows CIA Agent's Cover," (dated July 22, 2003).
http://foi.missouri.edu/voicesdissent/columnistnames.html
reported that:
Quote:"A senior intelligence officer confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked 'alongside' the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger. But he said she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment. 'They [the officers who did ask Wilson to check the uranium story] were aware of who she was married to, which is not surprising,' he said. 'There are people elsewhere in government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason,' he said. 'I can't figure out what it could be.' 'We paid his [Wilson's] airfare. But to go to Niger is not exactly a benefit. Most people you'd have to pay big bucks to go there,' the senior intelligence official said. Wilson said he was reimbursed only for expenses."
Foxfyre wrote:5.) Wilson Has Claimed His 1999 Trip To Niger Was Not Suggested By His Wife:
Wilson Claims CIA Thought To Ask Him To Make Trip Because He Had Previously Made Trip For Them In 1999, Not Because Of His Wife's Suggestion. CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "Who first raised your name, then, based on what you know? Who came up with the idea to send you there?" Joe Wilson: "The CIA knew my name from a trip, and it's in the report, that I had taken in 1999 related to uranium activities but not related to Iraq. I had served for 23 years in government including as Bill Clinton's Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council. I had done a lot of work with the Niger government during a period punctuated by a military coup and a subsequent assassination of a president. So I knew all the people there." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)
In Fact, His Wife Suggested Him For 1999 Trip, As Well. "The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA's behalf
The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region
"[/b] (Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq," U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)
What the hell? Have IQs suddenly dropped in the US?
Wilson's wife stated he was already going to Niger, BEFORE the CIA asked to spend a part of his time in Niger checking on uranium. How then could his wife suggest a trip that he was planning anyway?
Foxfyre wrote:6.) Wilson Claimed He Was A Victim Of A Partisan Smear Campaign
Joe Wilson: "Well, I Don't Know. Obviously, There's Been This Orchestrated Campaign, This Smear Campaign. I Happen To Think That It's Because The RNC, The Republican National Committee's Been Involved In This In A Big Way
" CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "But They Weren't Involved In The Senate Intelligence Committee Report." Wilson: "No, They Weren't." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)
True. Note:
http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html
Quote:Karl Rove, told the FBI in an interview last October that he circulated and discussed damaging information regarding CIA operative Valerie Plame with others in the White House, outside political consultants, and journalists, according to a government official and an attorney familiar with the ongoing special counsel's investigation of the matter.
But Rove also adamantly insisted to the FBI that he was not the administration official who leaked the information that Plame was a covert CIA operative to conservative columnist Robert Novak last July. Rather, Rove insisted, he had only circulated information about Plame after it had appeared in Novak's column (on July 14, 2003).
WE NOW KNOW THIS IS A LIE[/u]
Quote:He also told the FBI, the same sources said, that circulating the information was a legitimate means to counter what he claimed was politically motivated criticism of the Bush administration by Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.
Rove and other White House officials described to the FBI what sources characterized as an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere. Rove is said to have named at least six other administration officials who were involved in the effort to discredit Wilson.[/u]
What the hell does one call this effort other than a self-admitted and concerted smear campaign?
Oh, really?
The author claims how could Wilson know that if no one had seen the docs in the US? I think this is a timing issue. Wilson was sent in Feb 2002 with what mission? was it go to Niger and see what you can find out? or was the mission a little more detailed as in we have some info in particular this is what we know, find out if any of it is accurate. He would thus know something about what he was trying to do. The docs were not delivered to the US until Oct 2002. The US handed over the docs to the UN in Feb 2003. Wilson wrote his oped in June 2003. So Wilson would know the docs were forgeries when he wrote the piece.
Foxfyre wrote:10.) Wilson Claimed He Is A Non-Partisan "Centrist":
Recently, Joe Wilson Refused To Admit He Is A Registered Democrat. NBC's Jamie Gangel: "You are a Democrat?" Joe Wilson: "I exercise my rights as a citizen of this country to participate in the selection of my leaders and I am proud to do so. I did so in the election in 2000 by contributing not just to Al Gore's campaign, but also to the Bush-Cheney campaign." (NBC's "Today Show," 7/14/05)
"[Wilson] Insist[s] He Remained A Centrist At Heart." (Scott Shane, "Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case," The New York Times, 7/5/05)
Joe Wilson Is A Registered Democrat. (District Of Columbia Voter Registrations, Accessed 7/14/05)
Joseph Wilson Has Donated Over $8,000 To Democrats Including $2,000 To John Kerry For President In 2003, $1,000 To Hillary Clinton's (D-NY) HILLPAC In 2002 And $3,000 To Al Gore In 1999. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website,
www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 7/12/05)
Ops, they left out that Wilson also donated to the 2000 presidentuial campaign of George W. Bush, and voted for Bush in 2000.
A little shading of the facts to achieve a point? Nope, no. not at all a selective use of data to achieve a particular aim, now was that?
Rovian that
After the attacks on him and his wife's outing, it is hard to imagine otherwise. Anyone subjected to the aforementioned concerted smears would be supporting the adversary of those who called him a liar and put his wife's career in the toilet.