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Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

 
 
kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:25 pm
Oooh, this is becoming a really nice juicy scandal...


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The husband of a CIA agent whose identity was exposed during the fierce debate over the Iraq war accused the White House on Thursday of being involved in a giant "cover-up" involving top aide Karl Rove.

Federal investigators are looking into who leaked the identity of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame, whose name appeared in a newspaper column by journalist Robert Novak exactly two years ago, on July 14, 2003. Rove, who orchestrated Bush's presidential campaigns, has emerged as a source for at least one other media report on the case.

"What this thing has been for the past two years has been a cover-up, a cover-up of the ... web of lies that underpin the justification for going to war in Iraq," said Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, a career foreign service officer who served in the Clinton White House.

"And to a certain extent, this cover-up is becoming unraveled. That's why you see the White House stonewalling," Wilson told NBC's "Today" show.

full story
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:26 pm
Yeah...

Quote:
or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired
    (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or


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revel
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:27 pm
OK, I fully admit that I at times have a comprehending problem around here, so tico fill me in on parados question, if you don't mind.

Quote:
Can you present ANY OTHER reason of why the CIA would say there was the possibility of a crime Tico? I can see NONE based on the specifics of what the CIA alleged was the crime.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:28 pm
Nothing publicly is known of Plame's status, beyond what Wilson just said. Now, this is just me postulating on the keyboard right now, of course, but I would think the timeline laid out by Wilson himself in his own book concerning the pair's meeting, courtship, marriage, and subsequent life together ... well, it sure seems to me it all needs a lot more thinking about, and more hard ingformation, before any conlusion is warranted.

And, of course, in no way does it cause me to rethink the conclusions I've drawn, and presented, in this matter.

I will observe that the rising hysteria raised by both sides leads me to suspect Fitzgerald and the Grand Jury may be nearing an announcement of some sort.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:29 pm
I don't care what can legally be proven. I'd just like to see that fat bastard hung from the nearest flagpole.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:47 pm
revel, try reading just the black parts of what was written - just the words themselves, what actually is there, not what you might wish for there to be. Unimaginative, yes, I know, and often unsatisfying, but give it a shot.

Kicky, you sum up the whole deal very well. Thats about all there is to it.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:48 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Nothing publicly is known of Plame's status, beyond what Wilson just said. Now, this is just me postulating on the keyboard right now, of course, but I would think the timeline laid out by Wilson himself in his own book concerning the pair's meeting, courtship, marriage, and subsequent life together ... well, it sure seems to me it all needs a lot more thinking about, and more hard ingformation, before any conlusion is warranted.

And, of course, in no way does it cause me to rethink the conclusions I've drawn, and presented, in this matter.

I will observe that the rising hysteria raised by both sides leads me to suspect Fitzgerald and the Grand Jury may be nearing an announcement of some sort.

GJ is supposed to sit until September I think and then Fitz is supposed to take some time resolving what they learned. Unless the GJ comes back with indictments before then..
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:49 pm
I am waiting for Rove to talk Bush into telling Gonzales to fire Fitzgerald..

If this is going to play out like Nixon, they might as well use the entire playbook. Laughing
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:50 pm
See, in case any of ya'll don't understand about being a covert agent, it's pretty much hush-hush for the rest of your born days and for some time after that. I was not a covert agent for the USAF, but I knew some folks from the agency, and even though they are long retired and some of them dead, I can't reveal their names or who they worked with on assignments, not me for one, because that reveals a piece of the chain.

If I was a covert agent, and I retired, went home and started a little business and years later decided to write a little memoir of the dry-dog-days of yesteryear, the CIA would still get to veto anything and everything I might put on paper.

This Plame thing, and worse, the subsequent revelation of the "company" for which she worked, has exposed perhaps hundreds of contacts, mangled all kinds of laesione set-ups and info trading marts. Yeah, yeah, yeah or maybe not, (yeah, it's likely that a CIA front company hadn't accomplished anything of note during it's existence. right ) the thing is Karl Rove and Steven Hadley don't get to decide whether or not to cut this kind of stuff loose, the CIA does.

Joe(no. I wasn't)Nation
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 07:55 pm
Gotta remember, Timber; we're not just talking about Plame here, are we?

Quote:
Knight Ridder:

CIA Identity Leak Far Worse Than Reported

by Warren P. Strobel

Knight Ridder Newspapers

October 11, 2003

WASHINGTON -- It's just a 12-letter name - Valerie Plame - but the leak by Bush administration officials of that CIA officer's identity may have damaged U.S. national security to a much greater extent than generally realized, current and former agency officials say.

Plame, the wife of former ambassador and Bush critic Joseph Wilson, was a member of a small elite-within-an-elite, a CIA employee operating under "nonofficial cover," in her case as an energy analyst, with little or no protection from the U.S. government if she got caught.

Training agents such as Plame, 40, costs millions of dollars and requires the time-consuming establishment of elaborate fictions, called "legends," including in this case the creation of a CIA front company that helped lend plausibility to her trips overseas.

Compounding the damage, the front company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, whose name has been reported previously, apparently also was used by other CIA officers whose work now could be at risk, according to Vince Cannistraro, formerly the agency's chief of counterterrorism operations and analysis.

Now, Plame's career as a covert operations officer in the CIA's Directorate of Operations is over. Those she dealt with - whether on business or not - may be in danger. The DO is conducting an extensive damage assessment.

And Plame's exposure may make it harder for American spies to convince foreigners to share important secrets with them, U.S. intelligence officials said.


Larry Johnson - a former CIA and State Department official who was a 1985 classmate of Plame's in the CIA's case officer-training program at Camp Peary, Va., known as "the Farm" - predicted that when the CIA's internal damage assessment is finished, "at the end of the day, (the harm) will be huge and some people potentially may have lost their lives."

"This is not just another leak. This is an unprecedented exposing of an agent's identity," said former CIA officer Jim Marcinkowski, who's now a prosecutor in Royal Oak, Mich., and who also did CIA training with Plame.


The name suggested work in the energy field: The late Brewster Jennings was president of the old Socony-Vacuum oil company, predecessor to Mobil, now Exxon Mobil Corp.

A June 2000 listing in Dun & Bradstreet for a Boston-based "Brewster Jennings & Associates" names the company's CEO and only employee as "Victor Brewster" and says it had annual sales of $60,000.

While that might seem like flimsy cover, former intelligence officials say that in fact meticulous steps are taken to create a life-like legend to support and protect CIA officers operating under nonofficial cover.


It appears that the Brewster-Jennings front was more than what is called "nominal cover," and was used as part of Plame's espionage, Johnson said.

That means anyone she met with could be in danger now, said Johnson, who described himself as "furious, absolutely furious" at the security breach.

Researcher Tish Wells contributed to this article.


http://www.topplebush.com/article82_recpres.shtml

Given that we don't know what the redacted part is,

It is entirely possible that there have been more than one CIA agent outed because of this. This widens the scope of Fitz's investigation even farther, don't you think?

Well, we'll just have to see how it plays out. But things sure aren't looking great for your side; even you must admit that.

My, how far we must be from your predictions of how this year was going to go; first Social Security, then Bolton, and now this?

Cycloptichorn
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 08:11 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
The Letter to Conyers implies possible wrong doing, but that could be just about anything. It does not explicitly say that Valerie Plame was a covert agent or that she was intentionally outed. That could be inferred, but only by speculation. It meaning could also be an effort to clear up an accusation that somebody intended to commit a crime. We honestly can't know what was in the memo sent over to the DOJ at this time.

It seems that 90% of the investigations conducted through the government are to determine if a crime has been committed much more than they are to convict somebody accused of a crime.

Because of Conyers uncharacteristic silence on this issue, I think it is not beyond all possibilities that it is even Wilson himself who was the subject of that memo:

Admittedly the following is from the official GOP website, but it does pretty well detail all the defense against Wilson's version of the facts:

Thursday, July 14, 2005
Joe Wilson's Top Ten Worst Inaccuracies And Misstatements


1.) Wilson Insisted That The Vice President's Office Sent Him To Niger:

Wilson Said He Traveled To Niger At CIA Request To Help Provide Response To Vice President's Office. "In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report.The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office." (Joseph C. Wilson, Op-Ed, "What I Didn't Find In Africa," The New York Times, 7/6/03)

Joe Wilson: "[W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby's Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ..." (CNN's "Late Edition," 8/3/03)


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/03/le.00.html

Look at the actual transcipttanscript of the show Mehlman is referring to with the parts Mehlman chose to leave out in bold (we come into the interview with Wolf Blitzer talking to Wilson and about to play a tape of another interview with Condi Rice) ...

Quote:
BLITZER: I know you were sent to go on this mission long before the State of the Union Address. When Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, was on this program a few weeks ago, on July 13th, I asked her about your mission. Listen to this exchange I had with her.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. CONDOLEEZZA RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I didn't know Joe Wilson was going to Niger. And if you look in Director Tenet's statement, it says that counter-proliferation experts, on their own initiative, sent Joe Wilson. So, I don't know...

BLITZER: Who sent him?

RICE: Well, it was certainly not at a level that had anything to do with the White House.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BLITZER: Is that true?

WILSON: Well, look, it's absolutely true that neither the vice president nor Dr. Rice nor even George Tenet knew that I was traveling to Niger.[/u]
What they did, what the office of the vice president did, and, in fact, I believe now from Mr. Libby's statement, it was probably the vice president himself...

BLITZER: Scooter Libby is the chief of staff for the vice president.

WILSON: Scooter Libby.

WILSON: They asked essentially that we follow up on this report -- that the agency follow up on the report. So it was a question that went to the CIA briefer from the Office of the Vice President. The CIA, at the operational level, made a determination that the best way to answer this serious question was to send somebody out there who knew something about both the uranium business and those Niger officials that were in office at the time these reported documents were executed.


This is Mehlman's evidence for his claim that "Wilson Falsely Claimed That It Was Vice President Cheney Who Sent Him To Niger."


Foxfyre wrote:
2.) Wilson Claimed The Vice President And Other Senior White House Officials Were Briefed On His Niger Report:

"[Wilson] Believed That [His Report] Would Have Been Distributed To The White House And That The Vice President Received A Direct Response To His Question About The Possible Uranium Deal."(Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)



Note what Wilson actually said. Mehlman is distorting what Wilson said, viz., that he "believed" it should have happened, and claims Wilson actually said it did happen.

He believed it should have happened, not that it did happen. Wilson is castigated for believing that what should have happened didn't happen? Apparently the SIC thought what Wilson believed should have happened too. At least they wrote so in the report section below.


Foxfyre wrote:
The Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Reported That The Vice President Was Not Briefed On Wilson's Report. "Conclusion 14. The Central Intelligence Agency should have told the Vice President and other senior policymakers that it had sent someone to Niger to look into the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal and it should have briefed the Vice President on the former ambassador's findings." (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)


Foxfyre wrote:
3.) Wilson Has Claimed His Niger Report Was Conclusive And Significant

Wilson Claims His Trip Proved There Was Nothing To The Uranium "Allegations." "I knew that [Dr. Rice] had fundamentally misstated the facts. In fact, she had lied about it. I had gone out and I had undertaken this study. I had come back and said that this was not feasible. … This government knew that there was nothing to these allegations." (NBC's, "Meet The Press," 5/2/04)



That is not what he said in his original essay in the NY Times in June 2003. Then, he said:

http://www.robincmiller.com/art-iraq/b59.htm

Quote:
"Based on my experience with the administration in the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat."


The accusation is yet another time shift distortion taking out of temporal context.

Note that his remarks here were in 5/2/04, almost exactly one year after his initial essay in the NY Times, where he did not say his report proved any such thing. Only after the other two reports by Ambassador Owens-fitzpatrick and 3-Star General Fulford concurred, were revealed, and the IAEA proved the documents were proven as forgeries that Wilson made his statement.

Foxfyre wrote:
Officials Said Evidence In Wilson's Niger Report Was "Thin" And His "Homework Was Shoddy." (Michael Duffy, "Leaking With A Vengeance," Time, 10/13/03)


If his work was shoddy, how come the fullness of time proved Wilson correct? What Wilson said was corrborated by the other two reports by the State Dept and DoD? It seems whatever he saw was sufficient to prove the issue, or one must conclude that the other two reports and people who wrote them were also wrong.

Btw: all three were correct, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld were wrong.

Foxfyre wrote:
Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: "Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassador's Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts' Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal." (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)

"For Most Analysts, The Information In The Report Lent More Credibility To The Original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Report On The Uranium Deal, But State Department Bureau Of Intelligence And Research (INR) Analysts Believed That The Report Supported Their Assessments That Niger Was Unlikely To Be Willing Or Able To Sell Uranium." (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Assessments On Iraq," 7/7/04)


Note that those analysts who believed Wilson's report were actually correct.

One should be asking why some of those analysts got is so wrong, not why Wilson (and Ambassador Owens-Fitzgerald and General Fulford) were not believed by those analysts.

Foxfyre wrote:


The US had three different reports that concluded that Iraq was not trying to buy niger uranium presscakes, not just Wilson's. The IEAE report showed clerarly that the documents were forgeries, the British Intelligence admits it now.


Foxfyre wrote:
4.) Wilson Denied His Wife Suggested He Travel To Niger In 2002:

Wilson Claimed His Wife Did Not Suggest He Travel To Niger To Investigate Reports Of Uranium Deal; Instead, Wilson Claims It Came Out Of Meeting With CIA. CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "Among other things, you had always said, always maintained, still maintain your wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had nothing to do with the decision to send to you Niger to inspect reports that uranium might be sold from Niger to Iraq. … Did Valerie Plame, your wife, come up with the idea to send you to Niger?" Joe Wilson: "No. My wife served as a conduit, as I put in my book. When her supervisors asked her to contact me for the purposes of coming into the CIA to discuss all the issues surrounding this allegation of Niger selling uranium to Iraq." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)

But Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Received Not Only Testimony But Actual Documentation Indicating Wilson's Wife Proposed Him For Trip.


Again and repeatedly, Wilson's wife did not do anything but list her hysband's credentials, and the people the SIC interviewed were NOT the people who made the decision to send him. This is documented in a number of places.

Read what the SIC report actually reports as the remarks made by Plame.

Quote:
"My husband has good relations with the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." There is no suggestion or recommendation in that statement that he be sent on the trip. Indeed it is little more than a recitation of his contacts and bona fides.

While the the conclusion is reinforced by comments in the body of the report that a CPD [Counterproliferation Division] reports officer stated that "the former ambassador's wife 'offered up his name'" (page 39) and a State Department intelligence and research officer stated that the "meeting was 'apparently convened by [the former ambassador's] wife who had the idea to dispatch him to use his contacts to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium issue."


In fact, Plame was not in the meeting at which the subject of Wilson's trip was raised. Neither was the CPD reports officer. After having escorted Wilson into the room, she [Plame] departed the meeting to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. It was at that meeting where the question of Wilson's traveling to Niger was broached with him for the first time and came only after a thorough discussion of what the participants did and did not know about the subject. Wilson's bona fides justifying the invitation to the meeting were the trip he had previously taken to Niger to look at other uranium-related questions as well as 20 years living and working in Africa, and personal contacts throughout the Niger government. Neither the CPD reports officer nor the State analyst were in the chain of command to know who, or how, the decision was made. The interpretations attributed to them are not the full story. In fact, the reports officer has a different conclusion about Plame's role than the one offered in the "additional comments."

This is substantiated in a further report by Newsday reporters Tim Phelps and Knut Royce on July 2003 Newsday article "Columnist Blows CIA Agent's Cover," (dated July 22, 2003).

http://foi.missouri.edu/voicesdissent/columnistnames.html

reported that:

Quote:
"A senior intelligence officer confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked 'alongside' the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger. But he said she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment. 'They [the officers who did ask Wilson to check the uranium story] were aware of who she was married to, which is not surprising,' he said. 'There are people elsewhere in government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason,' he said. 'I can't figure out what it could be.' 'We paid his [Wilson's] airfare. But to go to Niger is not exactly a benefit. Most people you'd have to pay big bucks to go there,' the senior intelligence official said. Wilson said he was reimbursed only for expenses."


Foxfyre wrote:
5.) Wilson Has Claimed His 1999 Trip To Niger Was Not Suggested By His Wife:

Wilson Claims CIA Thought To Ask Him To Make Trip Because He Had Previously Made Trip For Them In 1999, Not Because Of His Wife's Suggestion. CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "Who first raised your name, then, based on what you know? Who came up with the idea to send you there?" Joe Wilson: "The CIA knew my name from a trip, and it's in the report, that I had taken in 1999 related to uranium activities but not related to Iraq. I had served for 23 years in government including as Bill Clinton's Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council. I had done a lot of work with the Niger government during a period punctuated by a military coup and a subsequent assassination of a president. So I knew all the people there." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)

In Fact, His Wife Suggested Him For 1999 Trip, As Well. "The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA's behalf … The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region …"[/b] (Select Committee On Intelligence, "Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq," U.S. Senate, 7/7/04)


What the hell? Have IQs suddenly dropped in the US?

Wilson's wife stated he was already going to Niger, BEFORE the CIA asked to spend a part of his time in Niger checking on uranium. How then could his wife suggest a trip that he was planning anyway?

Foxfyre wrote:
6.) Wilson Claimed He Was A Victim Of A Partisan Smear Campaign

Joe Wilson: "Well, I Don't Know. Obviously, There's Been This Orchestrated Campaign, This Smear Campaign. I Happen To Think That It's Because The RNC, The Republican National Committee's Been Involved In This In A Big Way …" CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "But They Weren't Involved In The Senate Intelligence Committee Report." Wilson: "No, They Weren't." (CNN's "Late Edition," 7/18/04)


True. Note:

http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2004/03/waas-m-03-08.html

Quote:
Karl Rove, told the FBI in an interview last October that he circulated and discussed damaging information regarding CIA operative Valerie Plame with others in the White House, outside political consultants, and journalists, according to a government official and an attorney familiar with the ongoing special counsel's investigation of the matter.

But Rove also adamantly insisted to the FBI that he was not the administration official who leaked the information that Plame was a covert CIA operative to conservative columnist Robert Novak last July. Rather, Rove insisted, he had only circulated information about Plame after it had appeared in Novak's column (on July 14, 2003).


WE NOW KNOW THIS IS A LIE[/u]

Quote:
He also told the FBI, the same sources said, that circulating the information was a legitimate means to counter what he claimed was politically motivated criticism of the Bush administration by Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

Rove and other White House officials described to the FBI what sources characterized as an aggressive campaign to discredit Wilson through the leaking and disseminating of derogatory information regarding him and his wife to the press, utilizing proxies such as conservative interest groups and the Republican National Committee to achieve those ends, and distributing talking points to allies of the administration on Capitol Hill and elsewhere. Rove is said to have named at least six other administration officials who were involved in the effort to discredit Wilson.[/u]


What the hell does one call this effort other than a self-admitted and concerted smear campaign?

Foxfyre wrote:


Oh, really?

The author claims how could Wilson know that if no one had seen the docs in the US? I think this is a timing issue. Wilson was sent in Feb 2002 with what mission? was it go to Niger and see what you can find out? or was the mission a little more detailed as in we have some info in particular this is what we know, find out if any of it is accurate. He would thus know something about what he was trying to do. The docs were not delivered to the US until Oct 2002. The US handed over the docs to the UN in Feb 2003. Wilson wrote his oped in June 2003. So Wilson would know the docs were forgeries when he wrote the piece.

Foxfyre wrote:
10.) Wilson Claimed He Is A Non-Partisan "Centrist":
Recently, Joe Wilson Refused To Admit He Is A Registered Democrat. NBC's Jamie Gangel: "You are a Democrat?" Joe Wilson: "I exercise my rights as a citizen of this country to participate in the selection of my leaders and I am proud to do so. I did so in the election in 2000 by contributing not just to Al Gore's campaign, but also to the Bush-Cheney campaign." (NBC's "Today Show," 7/14/05)

"[Wilson] Insist[s] He Remained A Centrist At Heart." (Scott Shane, "Private Spy And Public Spouse Live At Center Of Leak Case," The New York Times, 7/5/05)

Joe Wilson Is A Registered Democrat. (District Of Columbia Voter Registrations, Accessed 7/14/05)

Joseph Wilson Has Donated Over $8,000 To Democrats Including $2,000 To John Kerry For President In 2003, $1,000 To Hillary Clinton's (D-NY) HILLPAC In 2002 And $3,000 To Al Gore In 1999. (The Center For Responsive Politics Website, www.opensecrets.org, Accessed 7/12/05)


Ops, they left out that Wilson also donated to the 2000 presidentuial campaign of George W. Bush, and voted for Bush in 2000.

A little shading of the facts to achieve a point? Nope, no. not at all a selective use of data to achieve a particular aim, now was that?

Rovian that

Foxfyre wrote:


After the attacks on him and his wife's outing, it is hard to imagine otherwise. Anyone subjected to the aforementioned concerted smears would be supporting the adversary of those who called him a liar and put his wife's career in the toilet.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 08:13 pm
Just to which of my "predictions" regarding Social Security or Bolton do you refer, Cyc?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 08:33 pm
Quote:
Bush Sends Wilson on Rove Probe Mission
by Scott Ott

(2005-07-14) -- President George Bush today announced he would send former Ambassador Joe Wilson into Washington D.C. to probe whether White House deputy chief of staff Karl Rove leaked the identity of a covert CIA agent.

"When we sent Joe Wilson to Niger a few years ago," Mr. Bush said, "he couldn't find evidence to prove or disprove whether Iraq sought nuculer (sic) materials, so he said Saddam Hussein was innocent. Now, I'm sending him to find out whether Karl Rove outed a CIA agent. I'm sure Mr. Wilson will conduct his investigation with the same skill and work-ethic he used in Niger."

Mr. Wilson immediately announced that he would launch his probe by having tea with some people who had once met Mr. Rove.

An unnamed source in Vice President Cheney's office said Mr. Wilson was recommended for the Rove investigation by a famous covert CIA agent to whom Mr. Wilson is married.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 08:40 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

now, where were you on the night of march the 17th, 1986 ?


I was still in high school. What about you? Laughing


dtom takes a pull from the geritol bottle and tries to remember...

assistant buyer for a department store chain by day, rock god by night. it was one hella good time.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 08:49 pm
Thanks again, Kuvasz.

This part is big:

Quote:
Quote:
But Rove also adamantly insisted to the FBI that he was not the administration official who leaked the information that Plame was a covert CIA operative to conservative columnist Robert Novak last July. Rather, Rove insisted, he had only circulated information about Plame after it had appeared in Novak's column (on July 14, 2003).



WE NOW KNOW THIS IS A LIE


Somewhere (this has gotten so long so fast it's hard to find), it was explained that misrepresenting facts to the FBI is itself a problem.

I think it was one of the things I posted, just a sec...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 08:52 pm
Yeah, it was here:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1454791#1454791

Wikipedia (which is not as authoritative as I'd like, pretty good though), indicates that misrepresentations to the FBI could be a crime. "Could", though, still not very concrete.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 09:06 pm
Isn't that what put Martha away?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 09:13 pm
Yep, the growing impression I'm getting is that just as with Clinton, Nixon and Martha, it's the lying that'll get him in trouble.

We'll see.

<tappity...>
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coachryan
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 09:43 pm
Hey All,
I'm currently juggling leaving my current job, getting enrolled in school again (at 30 Confused ) and my new twins so I'm behind this topic by about 10 pages. That said, forgive me if some one else has pointed this out but...

Looking at the big picture so far it seems that we have the people who are supporting the so-called "Party for MORAL VALUES and NATIONAL DEFENSE" sifting through legal wording, while defending a guy who (intentionally or not) outed not only one (former or current) CIA (covert or not) agent but her entire cover firm and every agent in it. Making a huge dent in our national defense.

TWO WORDS.




FLIP
FLOP...

On a side note I'm really busy Friday with all the things I mentioned above, so I probably will not get to read any responses to this post until Saturday.



Ry
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2005 09:58 pm
How new are the twins?

Congrats!
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