Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

Chrissee wrote:

JustWonders wrote:

Andrea Mitchell was asked on MSNBC if people generally knew that Valerie Plame was an operative for the CIA. She answered, a bit uncomfortably, that yes, in general, most people knew that.

Link?

Check your local listings ....

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Karl said, "I didn't report her name."

That was a true statement.

That is what he told Bushie.

"I didn't report her name."

muahahahaha!!!

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by Hunter
Wed Jul 6th, 2005 at 18:48:16 PDT

So, Andrea Mitchell is subbing for Chris Matthews on MSNBC's Hardball. The topic is how horrible it is that Cooper and Miller are being so cruelly treated.

Why is that funny, in a gallows sort of way? Because Andrea Mitchell is one of the reporters to whom Rove has been identified as having fed the Plame story during the aggressive White House campaign to "push" the outing to media figures. As is Matthews, who has refused to discuss his involvement. In fact, Fitzgerald's previous subpoenas to the White House have requested that the administration turn over any documents relating to conversations with Mitchell and Matthews specifically, as well as about two dozen other named reporters.

So it's like MSNBC's own little Thunderdome of inside-the-Beltway journalistic hackery. Nicely done, guys. Maybe all the reporters who are trying to distance themselves from involvement in the Plame case can throw one big party to celebrate how really, really not involved they all are and thanks-for-not-asking. Better make it a costume party...

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LOL

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So what do I think I know about all this now (as if I had any credibility) well, what I think I know is that Rove will never be charged with a felony, the law as written is far too narrow. Rove is, at least one of the whitehouse personages that did talk to, at least one reporter prior to Novak's outage of Plame. The whitehouse has been less than forthright in sharing information. there will continue to be charges of perjury and obstruction of justice forwarded against the Bush Admin resulting in the house and senate republicans up for re-election distancing themselves from the Bush Admin. Social Security reform is dead in the water. the remainder of the Bush presidency will be damage control. In a few years the Iraq invasion will be known commonly as "Iraq-gate". and last but not least, last friday at the apex of international coverage of London Bush cut security funding for US mass transit by 500 million.

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I didn't inhale. LOL

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Rove won't be charged with a crime, and you know why? Because he didn't commit a crime. In order to commit a crime, you must commit each element of said crime.

And has anyone even established if Plame was in fact a "covert agent"? If so, I've missed it. An "analyst" is not a "covert agent."

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Tico, if Plame was a covert agent or if someone leaked she was a covert agent? I don't think there's any doubt that she was, in fact, a covert agent. I think whether that fact was leaked is the core of the case, a big part of what they're trying to figure out. Novak certainly seemed to know she was covert from his use of "operative" (not analyst.) But that's mostly circumstantial (how he has used the words in his many, many columns in his career.)

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Well, that's what I'm asking whether it's been shown: was she, in fact, a "covert agent"? I would hope this angle has been explored to some degree, but you will indulge me for a bit in asking the question.

I agree that Novak's use of the word "operative" means nothing, given his prior use of the word.

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It has been firmly established that Plame was a covert agent. Why do we keep hearing the same tired canard?

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Ticomaya wrote:

Well, that's what I'm asking whether it's been shown: whether she was, in fact, a "covert agent." I would hope this angle has been explored to some degree, but you will indulge me for a bit in asking the question.

I agree that Novak's use of the word "operative" means nothing, given his prior use of the word.

It has been explored ad nauseum, do you think Fitzpatrick is a moron?

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Chrissee wrote:

It has been firmly established that Plame was a covert agent. Why do we keep hearing the same tired canard?

Then rather than trot out the word "canard," link me up.

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I agree that Novak's use of the word "operative" means nothing, given his prior use of the word.

Tico, by your statement here you, at least, imply that your are familiar with Novaks prior use of the word "operative." could you give us more ignorant folks a sample of just how Novak as used the term "operative" in the past?

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Ticomaya wrote:

Chrissee wrote:
It has been firmly established that Plame was a covert agent. Why do we keep hearing the same tired canard?

Then rather than trot out the word "canard," link me up.

Go back to page 1 and start reading.

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dyslexia wrote:

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I agree that Novak's use of the word "operative" means nothing, given his prior use of the word.

Tico, by your statement here you, at least, imply that your are familiar with Novaks prior use of the word "operative." could you give us more ignorant folks a sample of just how Novak as used the term "operative" in the past?

Sure, dys, just for you. I'll go try and find Novak's column that I'm remembering, and be right back.

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Chrissee wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Well, that's what I'm asking whether it's been shown: whether she was, in fact, a "covert agent." I would hope this angle has been explored to some degree, but you will indulge me for a bit in asking the question.

I agree that Novak's use of the word "operative" means nothing, given his prior use of the word.

It has been explored ad nauseum, do you think Fitzpatrick is a moron?

Do you????????????????????????????????

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Here 'tis:

Robert Novak wrote:

A big question is her duties at Langley. I regret that I referred to her in my column as an "operative," a word I have lavished on hack politicians for more than 40 years. While the CIA refuses to publicly define her status, the official contact says she is "covered" -- working under the guise of another agency. However, an unofficial source at the Agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations.

Link.

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Chrissee wrote:

Chrissee wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Well, that's what I'm asking whether it's been shown: whether she was, in fact, a "covert agent." I would hope this angle has been explored to some degree, but you will indulge me for a bit in asking the question.

I agree that Novak's use of the word "operative" means nothing, given his prior use of the word.

It has been explored ad nauseum, do you think Fitzpatrick is a moron?

Do you????????????????????????????????

Is it safe to assume you have no link to provide? I would think it would be readily available ... if it's been explored "ad nauseum" .... But if you don't have one, that's fine.

Are you saying Fitzpatrick has come out with a definitive analysis of whether or not Plame was a "covert agent"?

Or have you concluded that the fact that Fitzpatrick has convened a Grand Jury means she must be a "covert agent"?

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Are you saying Fitzpatrick has come out with a definitive analysis of whether or not Plame was a "covert agent"?

Uh doh!!! Unless you assume he is a moron. The first witness he called was most likely a witness from the CIA establishing her covert status.

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Here is the definition of a 'covert' agent:

http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00000426----000-.html

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Chrissee wrote:

Is it safe to assume that you can't answer a simple question?

<sigh> I don't know Fitzpatrick, so I have no opinion one way or the other. I know very little about him, aside from the fact that he's a US Attorney engaged in a Grand Jury investigation -- that is an aspect of what US Attorney's do, so he appears to be doing his job. I personally know a former US Attorney who I belive is indeed a moron, so the fact that he's a US Attorney does not, in and of itself, mean he's not a moron. But again, I have no information one way or the other.

Now what about you? You have anything to help answer my question, or do you just wish to be difficult?

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