Rove was the source of the Plame leak... so it appears

We are not lawyers and this is not a legal forum. Maybe soemone should have clued in Anne Coulter who is a lawyer.

jesus mother fu*king christ! what the hell is wrong with right wing fanatics?

I showed earlier on this thread, with the actual report findings linked, that these bull$hit right wing attacks on wilson had been shown by the actual report to be unfounded. once again your source has chosen to use allegations cited from an appendix/addititional view signerd by only 3 of 18 senators.

15 of the 18 senators refused to share this bizzare and subsequently and oft debunked viewpoint, itself wrought from pure partisan politics to cast wilson in a bad light, simply because wilson outed bush's lying. none of the democratic nor 2/3rds of the republican senators said wilson lied.

why does the right wing continue to abuse the truth in matters such as these?

if 3 democratic senators had filed a minority "additional view" stating george w bush was a liar, would the right wing press herald that declaration with the same vigor they have the view of roberts, burns and hatch about wilson?

i dont think so in the least and this is yet another attempt by the right wing press to play fast and loose with the truth.

there is no defense in making these types of allegations appear as if they are the opinions of the whole committee. yet has has been done here repeatedly.

even the linked essay uses redacted press enties from the 16.7% minority's appendix and does not quote the actual report findings which did not malign wilson.

this really is a disgraceful display of propaganda masking as journalism.

and from the right, it never seems to end.

has the right wing in this country have no shame at all? have they no conscience or moral integrity at the center of their being?

I appreciate your distress, kuvasz; I wonder why the American Left can't get itself to come to grips with the fact it has no case to make. Inuendo, supposition, conspiracy theories, boogiemen, shrillness, and negatavism simply don't play to The Electorate. Continuing a course of action consistently demonstrated as counterproductive, in expection of improved result, is silly at best.

I am confident The Plame Game, as over the past decade or so have just about all the transparent, baseless, illogical, illconsidered, ultimately futile and embarrassing Democrat-backed attacks against The Majority Party, will far better serve The Majority Party than the Democrats.

My partisanship is as firmly emplaced as yours; the difference is which of us find ourselves at odds with day-to-day political and socio-economic developments.

Oh, and BTW, I submit that while vociferously challenged, the criticisms of Wilson's veracity and objectivity hardly have been "debunked", any more than the probes into the UN irregularities have cleared Kofi Annan of anything.

I expect, that along with Schumer and his coterie, Wilson will in the end find this all greatly to his disadvantage and inconvenience.

Unless you count, and I think kuvasz does, Wilson's denial as "debunking" them.

Ticomaya, you're probably a very nice person, however, I'm ruining my computer screen throwing darts at your avatar.

Good point. By that token, there can be no dispute, in the face of Rove's denials, and Luskin's corroboration thereof, that The Plame game is a complete non-issue, a meanly motivated, baseless, wrong-headed, obstinate, total fabrication.

I guess that ends that, doesn't it?

Timber,

nah

i'm still kinda surprised that more people aren't bothered that rather than shoot back at wilson, the "leakers", whoever they are, chose to instead attack his wife.

that's really kind of a wussie thing to do, dontcha think ?

(hey tico. didja catch the floyd reunion at live8 ? )

DTOM--

I'm trying to explain why it was important that the public knew
1) How and why Wilson got the job.
so they would understand that
2) The Niger trip by Wilson wasn't an above board CIA investigation
but that it was
3)put together by two Democrats with an axe to grind against Bush. Liar Joe and his Democrat-funding wife.

If Wilson's CIA employee brother, father, best friend, gay lover, ...got him the job, the WH wouldn't have involved his wife, but only the link to the CIA that got him the job.

That's assuming anybody 'attacked' anybody in this issue. That also is all innuenndo.

True, Fox.

They didn't "attack" her. They revealed her part in the deception.

"she's fair game".


that reminds me, lash. i read through the report (niger, ambassador, cincinnati) and still didn't see the part about a phone number. where did you see that ?

also, it does appear that plame may have mentioned wilson as a possibility, but it looked like the call had gone out, she responded.

i don't think that there's an insidious motive really. after all, plame could put wilson's name in the mix, but her superiors would have had to make the decision, right ? seems to me that since cheney was the one that instigated the "look see", that he would have known that wilson was the emisary. if he had any doubts.. well, dick isn't shy about speaking up, is he ?

it also appers that the cia thought that the niger info was wrong to start with. hence, sending someone over to look into it. further down the road, the niger claim was taken out of the october 2002 speech in cincinnati. but then it reappeared in the 2003 sotu.

at this point, "the 16 words"... bush knew or he didn't. either way, the end result is the same.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1441931#1441931

Outing Plame Is More Damaging than All Other American Scandals
By Andrew M. Schocket
Mr. Schocket is an assistant professor of history at Bowling Green State University and a writer for the History News Service.

This summer, apparently out of political motives, high Bush administration officials exposed the name of a CIA agent to columnist Robert Novak. For more than two months, the president did nothing to investigate or even denounce this serious breach of national security.

In the long list of presidential misdeeds and scandals, this one stands out. It's the first time a president has possibly connived at what was essentially an act of treason.

Not that there's been a shortage of past Oval Office shenanigans. Presidents and their underlings have committed numerous immoral, illegal or dodgy acts. They've defied the Supreme Court, lied to Congress and spied on their political enemies.

Rascals they may have been, but no former administration betrayed national security and put the lives of American agents in danger for the sake of politics. Bush set the tone for his staff by keeping silent until the Justice Department began its investigation into the matter last month.

The current affair began when two senior Bush administration officials revealed the identity of a CIA agent, Valerie Plame, married to former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, IV. The Bush administration sent him to Niger last fall to learn whether Saddam Hussein had tried to buy uranium from that African country. Revealing her identity was a clumsy attempt to retaliate for Wilson's criticism of Bush's claims concerning Iraq's efforts to gain nuclear weapons.

Plame formerly worked undercover in a CIA's unit on weapons of mass destruction. Not only did the leakers endanger her life and the lives of people she had contacted abroad, but it placed in jeopardy initiatives undertaken in the nation's war on terrorism. Such a betrayal is no different from having wartime American public officials announce publicly the locations of American ships, planes or troops.

This scandal is unique in that it is the first time that members of a presidential administration have sought political gain through an illegal breach of national security.


http://hnn.us/articles/1733.html

The judge who jailed Miller said there was substantial evidence that a very serious crime involving national security occurred.

You lost all credibilty when you claimed that ODonnell said Rove did not commit a crime. Maybe you should try an altie!

The "fair game" comment has never been put into full context to my satisfaction. And there is certainly nothing yet to confirm that the current administration did anything unusual or wrong; there is still only innuendo, speculation, conspiracy theories, and accusations being thrown around. First, the administration had nothing whatsoever to gain in this incident--if they did it, it was out of retaliation and that is not a typical feature of this administration--and second, there is very much question that any national security was breached by anybody.

I think sometimes we all are prone to draw conclusions from far too little information. And when that destroys reputations, hinders people from doing their jobs, or just hurts people, that is just plain wrong.

Someone high in the administration committed a felony and, in the view of the elder Mr. Bush, treason. End of story.