@Olivier5,
Quote:You and I have been through this discussion already. My position is that, while I'm an agnostic re. the meaning of the universe and its origin, I find it almost impossible to imagine a "slow motion designer", who would have needed hundreds of millions of years to make evolution happen. The modus operandi of evolution is that of "learning by doing", trial and error, and it is incredibly slow. That doesn't fit well with my idea of a god.
I have challenged farmer, you and others to debate this question in scientific terms many times. In farmer's case, I specified that the first one to mention God or religious beliefs loses. He lost every time within three to four exchanges. The man just can’t keep his mind off that religious stuff.
This time you lost even before we began again. I did not mention 'a God'. I was discussing the probability that life as we know came to be by the natural causes we currently know about. If you wish to have a re-match, let me know.
But I am also very interested in anyone’s idea of a God so I would like to know what yours is if you are willing to talk about it.
I have heard the issue of 'time' in relation to both God and abiogenesis/evolution used many times. In the case of abio/evo, time is invoked as a magic ingredient. I guess the logic is that given a long time, anything can happen. Not a very scientific approach but it gets rolled out a lot.
In the case of 'God', you seem to object to a God that does things too slowly. It’s hard to believe you are taking the idea of God seriously if you insist on limiting him to your understanding of time.
From a purely scientific POV, there are many ways that it could be explained that from a 'God's' perspective, he could have made this universe five minutes ago. For example, Time virtually stops when below the event horizon of a black hole. He could wait there just long enough to have a snack then get back to things 13.8 billion of our years later. Time is a completely malleable thing. That's science, not religion.
So spill. What s your idea of god/God?