Why are anti-gunners so afraid to admit they just want all guns banned and confiscated?

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Selective fire rilfes are semiautomatic weapons, among other things. There is nothing dishonest about that.

Sure there is. You claimed that the military uses semiautomatic rifles. When it is pointed out to you that the military uses only select-fire rifles, you reached into your little bag of tricks and pulled out another false claim. This time you tried to claim that, because the select-fire rifle that the military uses has a semiautomatic setting, that means that the military does use semiautomatic weapons, and you're off the hook for making a false claim again.

Truth is, the military does not use semiautomatic rifles because they are not effective enough for their purposes. So yeah, you were dishonest.

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The military likes the additional firing options on the rifles they issue.

Yeah, they like the select-fire rifles because semiautomatic rifles are not adequate for their purposes.

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It's about the rifles, not their individual features.

No. You've clearly stated that it's the individual features, both alone and in combination that makes the rifle especially dangerous. And as long as you deny your own words, I will happily remind you of what you said until it sticks.

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What everyone sees, gun nuts notwithstanding, is that the contradiction is in your own head, muddled as it is with your inability to see the rifle for its features in your psychotic possessory obsession with these rifles.

Well let's take an honest look at what's happening here. You think that I'm obsessed with the AR-15 because I'm challenging your false obsessive claims that it is an especially dangerous rifle by virtue of its pistol-grip and or flash suppressor, etc. And yet you have nothing but your hysteria to prove your claims. That's what everyone sees.

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You don't have to own one to be obsessed with them.

Yes, your continual hysteria surrounding them certainly proves that claim.

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Yeah, own a gun for home protection, but AR-15's shouldn't be an option.

Yes, everyone knows how you feel about flash suppressors and pistol-grips, and how you have nothing real to base those feelings on.

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You've gone further and claimed that it is untrue based on your appeal to what you regard as rasoning and logic.

No. You're not paying attention again. I've claimed that your claim is untrue based on the fact that you have nothing but your hysteria concerning pistol-grips and flash suppressors to show that your claim is true. And you back up that hysteria with a declaration that you could prove it, but choose not to.

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Better yet, go back and read my response to this endless questin of yours.

It's nowhere to be found.

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It is circularity when, after I had already pointed that out to you, you restate what I had already pointed out to you.

You have not explained how a pistol-grip alone or in combination with a bayonet-mount makes a rifle especially dangerous.

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Selective fire rilfes are semiautomatic weapons, among other things.

No they aren't. Semi-automatic weapons do not have a selective fire option.

InfraBlue wrote:

It's about the rifles, not their individual features.

Trying to outlaw rifles because of individual features, is about individual features.

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No it doesn't.

Wrong. "Semi-automatic" in the English language means semi-auto-only.

Whether through conscious deception or unconscious incomprehension, you've taken my words and defenstrated them and replaced them with your straw man argument.

What I propose we do about alcohol in regard to drunk drivers is ban its purchase by, and criminalize its supplying of, those convicted of the crime.

Truth is, I didn't say the military uses exclusively semiautomatic rifles. I said semiautomatic mode is one of the selective fire options. There is no dishonesty in that.

Where did I say that, exactly?

what's hysterical is your obsessive deduction that an AR-15 is reducible to its pistol grip and flash suppressor and other features

Says the gun psycho with the endless tail chasing about pistol grips on an AR-15.

As real as the reason and logic you claim to use in your actually unreasonable and illogical conclusion that lack of proof is proof of falsehood.

So, now the endless pages of my responses to this endless question of yours have all of a sudden disappeard?

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Whether through conscious deception or unconscious incomprehension, you've taken my words and defenstrated them and replaced them with your straw man argument.

No. It was through my conscious recognition of your very own words that I found that you have contradicted yourself and refuse to admit it. You claimed that it is those features make a rifle especially dangerous. Then you turned around and told me to forget about those features, and focus on the rifle instead. You still pretend that you don't see how your claim that it is those features that make a rifle especially dangerous flies in the face of your comment that those features should not be looked at. In other words, you claim that, though it's the features that make the rifle especially dangerous, I should focus on the rifle, and not on the features that make it dangerous.

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What I propose we do about alcohol in regard to drunk drivers is ban its purchase by, and criminalize its supplying of, those convicted of the crime.

Yeah, and I propose following that reasoning regarding murderers. Lock them up.

In regard to selective fire rifles, saying that the military uses semiautomatic rifles since semiautomatic fire is an option on their rifles is descriptive and accurate, and not misleading.

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Truth is, I didn't say the military uses exclusively semiautomatic rifles. I said semiautomatic mode is one of the selective fire options. There is no dishonesty in that.

I claimed that semiautomatic rifles are not used by the military. You counterclaimed that they are. I asked you to prove it. Having realized too late that the military does not use semiautomatic rifles, you decided to make the claim that if select-fire rifles have a semiautomatic setting, then you can call a select-fire rifle a semiautomatic rifle. But that's just you being dishonest. The difference between the rifles used by the military and civilian rifles is select-fire.

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Where did I say that, exactly?

First tell me that you don't recall saying that a pistol-grip makes a rifle especially dangerous.

Everyone, and their brother, knows that that's exactly what you've said. A better question would be: when have you not said that.

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what's hysterical is your obsessive deduction that an AR-15 is reducible to its pistol grip and flash suppressor and other features

No. It is literally true that you have said that the pistol-grip alone, and in combination with other features, make a rifle especially dangerous. And it is literally true that you have failed to support that claim. And it is literally true that, despite being shown repeatedly that you have provided nothing to prove your claim, you hysterically repeat it over and over again as if you believe that doing so will prove something. But the only thing you're proving is the extent to which denial can affect the perception of an individual obsessed with something.

You're interpreting my assertions about pistol grips and combinations with other features to mean that I want assault weapons banned becasue of those pistol grips and combinations with features found on these weapons.

I have an opinion about those features that you disagree with.

Those features describe assault weapons, i.e. those weapons whose only difference with their military issue counterparts is selective fire.

You have a fixation on pistol grips and other features that describe these weapons that's addled your brain

Ok.

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Says the gun psycho with the endless tail chasing about pistol grips on an AR-15.

I don't own an AR-15. I don't want an AR-15. You don't like having your failed claims exposed for what they are. And your reaction to that is to try to paint the one who has exposed you as a gun psycho. But everything you've posted is a self-portrait of a hysterical man obsessed with the features on a rifle that he calls especially dangerous, but cannot for the life of him show that to be true.

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As real as the reason and logic you claim to use in your actually unreasonable and illogical conclusion that lack of proof is proof of falsehood.

When you are attempting to make a case for banning something, then you'd better have something more than a complete lack of proof as justification for your claims. Otherwise, you're just another hysterical guy obsessed with a semiautomatic rifle because it looks scary.

So, now the endless pages of my responses to this endless question of yours have all of a sudden disappeard?

There was no late realization of anything. I specified that semiautomatic fire was an option on selective fire weapons making a selective fire weapon a semiautomatic weapon. You pounced on the first sentence of my assertion in your juvenile gotcha games.

So, you don't agree with my assertion about pistol grips and combinations with other features on a rifle, and I haven't provided proof of that assertion. Understood.

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In regard to selective fire rifles, saying that the military uses semiautomatic rifles since semiautomatic fire is an option on their rifles is descriptive and accurate, and not misleading.

Yes it is misleading, which means that you are being dishonest.

Tell me, if the military version of the AR-15 is a semiautomatic rifle, where do I go to purchase one of those? Oh wait! I can't purchase one of those because it's an actual assault rifle. And it's an actual assault rifle because of its select-fire capability.

So let's see where you stand. Semiautomatic rifles are not used by the military. You claimed that they are. However, when asked to prove that claim, you decided that though the military doesn't use semiautomatic rifles, the rifles they do use have a semiautomatic setting, and that therefore you can call a select-fire rifle a semiautomatic rifle. But that's just you being desperate to not look like a fool for having declared that the military uses semiautomatic rifles before looking into it.

If a select-fire rifle is a semiautomatic rifle, then is a semiautomatic rifle a select-fire rifle? The answer is no. And the reason the answer is no is because a semiautomatic rifle is not a select-fire rifle. And as such, the military does not use them.

Oh I have justification enough for my case for banning assault weapons.

Chase that tail fido!