Is Evangelization equal to Cultural Genocide?

tell me then, what do you believe in?

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I believe that your landscape is as good as mine.

some people may like your's better than mine jusrt like some peopel may like a Jamini roy painting better than a Feroze gujral.

thats what i believe in.

that landscapes, not being sciences or math, cant (and shouldn't be ) compared except in ways wchich cant be substantiated (eg - blue is a lot cooler than brown)

thats what i believe in.

that you are free to take a liking to any landscape yo want and have a picture of the world as per the dictates of that landscape.... anything as long as you dont try to make your neighbour try (by hook, crook or left hook) to chuck the liking he has for the landscape he currently digs and take to yours.

much in the same way i believe we are all free to do anything we want in this free world, except have sex with kids or kill others or similar.

thats what i believe in.

and now please be good enough to substitute landscape with religion.

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brahmin wrote:

I believe that your landscape is as good as mine.

some people may like your's better than mine jusrt like some peopel may like a Jamini roy painting better than a Feroze gujral.

thats what i believe in.

that landscapes, not being sciences or math, cant (and shouldn't be ) compared except in ways wchich cant be substantiated (eg - blue is a lot cooler than brown)

thats what i believe in.

that you are free to take a liking to any landscape yo want and have a picture of the world as per the dictates of that landscape.... anything as long as you dont try to make your neighbour try (by hook, crook or left hook) to chuck the liking he has for the landscape he currently digs and take to yours.

much in the same way i believe we are all free to do anything we want in this free world, except have sex with kids or kill others or similar.

thats what i believe in.

and now please be good enough to substitute landscape with religion.

Brahmin,

You have already identified yourself as opposing free speech. What more needs to be said? You are willing to take freedom from those you disagree with.

So don't give us this "your landscape (religion) is as good as mine" when you are prepared to prevent people from practicing their religion by stifling free speech.

Don't pretend that you can have freedom of religion without freedom of speech. You'll find nobody here foolish enough to swallow that.

If someone speaks of their religion and you disagree, then disagree or don't listen. It doesn't take the UN to figure that out.

Your solution of forced proselytisation to your political ideology at the point of the UN guns is hypocrisy in the highest degree. This is the same thing you accuse others of doing.

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Brahmin,

You have already identified yourself as opposing free speech.
>>>>>>>>> i most certainly haven't.
i am opposed to TOTAL free speech, oe. opposed to free speech which is so vast in scope that it allows for abuse and misuse of free speech. dig?

What more needs to be said?
>>>>>>>>>>> that you should understand what others (i) have been saying better or at least try to, instead of trying to put words into my mouth, through your 2ndary abrahamic tunnel vision. indeed your arguements arn't too different from another similaraly narrow minded a2k member i had the displeasure of interacting with on te islam thread.

You are willing to take freedom from those you disagree with.
>>>>>>>>>> not a bit. i am however more than willing to take freedom away from people who like to go for child porn. even so with racism and religion-ism (ie. evengelization). those who abouse and misuse free speech to going to the extents of making racist and religion-ist 9ie. evengelical) comments, need a leash.

So don't give us this "your landscape (religion) is as good as mine" when you are prepared to prevent people from practicing their religion by stifling free speech.
>>>>>>>>>> see what i mean when i say you keep trying to put words in my mouth!!!
when did i ever say someone should not preactise his or her religion?
all i said is they should not try to make other people practise THEIRS.. the way missionaries try and prevent others from practicing their (hellenic, hindu, maya, wicca, shinto, whatever the case may be) religions. its missionaries who are opposed to the practise of all religions that arnt their own,
do you understand english? because you have been misconstruing me far too often now for it to be a "mistake".

Don't pretend that you can have freedom of religion without freedom of speech.
>>>>>>>>>> when did i say that there sould be no freedom of speech. do you take the "free speech" chapter of the constitution toi be the 17th commandment or something, that you intend to follow it to the last letter?
fine then, here's an exampple of free speech for you - (mods please understand this is just an example i am comming with to drive home the point) - you are an asshole a jerk a half wit and your profet was a homo wanker paedophille and probably never even existed in reality.

see what TOTAL free speech does?
it allows others to abuse it - liek i just did.

You'll find nobody here foolish enough to swallow that.
>>>>>>> thanks, but i have already found a lot more folish people right here on this thread.

If someone speaks of their religion and you disagree, then disagree or don't listen.
>>>>>>>>> missies do a lot more than just speak. they hack to convert. always have always will.

It doesn't take the UN to figure that out.
>>>>>>>> no doesn't it just takes any person with common sense to see that missionaries (aff oll religions) are a menace to the world and are irreparably damaging the socio cultural heritage of the planet,
unfortunately common sense dont seem to be too common.

Your solution of forced proselytisation to your political ideology at the point of the UN guns is hypocrisy in the highest degree.
>>>>>>>>>>> and the missionariy inquisitions and oppressions and genocides in goa, in philipines and in latin america are what?
acts of faith?
the world never knew a set of bigger hypocrites than missionaries.

This is the same thing you accuse others of doing.
>>>>>>> i dont accuse missionaries of messing up the heritage of the world. they do it, whether or not i accuse them.
but i myself never was or will be party to the bastardy of proselytysation, be it by hook, crook or the missionary favourite of left hook (all are equally criminal).

this site could help you translate the above in whichever language you are most comfortable with (since plain and simple english obviously dont go down too well with you) - http://babelfish.altavista.com/

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brahmin wrote:

real life wrote:

You are willing to take freedom from those you disagree with.

>>>>>>>>>> not a bit. i am however more than willing to take freedom away from people who like to go for child porn. even so with racism and religion-ism (ie. evengelization). those who abouse and misuse free speech to going to the extents of making racist and religion-ist 9ie. evengelical) comments, need a leash.

What child porn has to do with this is somewhere in your imagination.

What we are talking about is free speech and you are giving contradictory declarations, trying to hide your true intent.

You oppose free speech for those who say religious things you don't agree with. That is very plain.

I am for free speech. I do not advocate a "leash" for you, although you could use some consistency and truthfulness in your argument.

But I am quite willing to let you spew your ridiculous statements unfettered by a "leash" because I am confident in people's ability to sort out truth from error , right from wrong, logic from gibberish.

You , apparently , have decided it is your job, and the UN's job to sort those things out for everybody. That is the difference between your view and mine.

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child porn is an example of a sort of action thats not acceptable.

free speech is all cool but it should not be totally free.

for example i am free to post whatever i like but (for example) i am not allowed to let you know what i think of you and your ancestry.

proselytising is similarly unacceptable.

missionaries have commited enough genocides of enough ancient cultures and belief systems to merit a "final solution" for their spineless ilk.

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brahmin wrote:

child porn is an example of a sort of action thats not acceptable.

free speech is all cool but it should not be totally free.

for example i am free to post whatever i like but (for example) i am not allowed to let you know what i think of you and your ancestry.

proselytising is similarly unacceptable.

missionaries have commited enough genocides of enough ancient cultures and belief systems to merit a "final solution" for their spineless ilk.

Say whatever you like about my ancestry.

You will only prove your own ignorance and backwardness.

Your opinion of my ancestry is worth exactly what I paid to hear it.

Free speech is priceless.

If you do not want to hear someone's proselytising, don't listen. It does not give you the right to kill them, jail them or whatever else your "Final Solution" entails. Your Nazi-like tactics and threats again show your own ignorance and backwardness.

If the "rich culture and heritage" that you value places such a cheap value on free speech and human life, then the culture you think is rich is poor indeed.

No wonder you have to keep people from fleeing it by using threats and coercion. They are obviously smarter than you and seek a culture that values free speech and human life.

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you DONT get the drift of what someone tries to say. the child porn example didnt enter your head, and now the abuse i reserved for you as an example..

so who brings back the aztec, the maya, the wicca, the red indian belief systems, the aboriginal religions, the hellenics, the asatru, mithraism, the druids, the odinists? the rest?

why should these be confined to museums and history books?

how come missinaries should be allowed to inflict the aforementioned cultural genocide with brute force (templar knights, inquisitions all over the world, the latin american cathocalypse, the anti pewish pogroms , the holocaust, the red indian genocide..called by another name is ...)

swearwords fail me. missionaries are worse than nazis and should be sent to oblivion for the damage they did on humanity with their spineless bastardic ways.

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You know, perhaps I should have thought this through a lot more carefully.

The entire topic is turning into an everyone-against-brahmin topic, instead of a discussion of the merits and dismerits of evangelisation. The question here is not whether evangelisation should be prevented from happening.

The question is whether evangelisation is cultural genocide, the destruction of other religions and therefore a gradual erosion of the "Variety of Freedom of Speech".

If evangelisation is tantamount to cultural genocide, thus evangelisation is a subtle form of destroying Freedom of Speech. Don't like what other people say about their religion? Convert them so they believe in the same things you do. This has all the benefits of getting rid of their point of view without restricting their freedom of speech.

P.S. Who are the Pewish?

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brahmin wrote:

so who brings back the aztec, the maya, the wicca, the red indian belief systems, the aboriginal religions, the hellenics, the asatru, mithraism, the druids, the odinists? the rest?

why should these be confined to museums and history books?

If you believe that "xxx" is a valid belief, based on reality, why don't you bring it back? And if you can persuade enough people to believe like yourself then you can enjoy your "xxx" culture together.

But if others who held to these beliefs previously, do not subscribe to them now, should we force them to retain them anyway so that the "xxx" belief system will not be without adherents? It is absurd.

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real life wrote

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If you believe that "xxx" is a valid belief, based on reality, why don't you bring it back? And if you can persuade enough people to believe like yourself then you can enjoy your "xxx" culture together.

But if others who held to these beliefs previously, do not subscribe to them now, should we force them to retain them anyway so that the "xxx" belief system will not be without adherents? It is absurd.

Brahmin.
Yes. Would you want to have them act the way that Christians have for the last 1500+ years?

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au1929 wrote:

real life wrote

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If you believe that "xxx" is a valid belief, based on reality, why don't you bring it back? And if you can persuade enough people to believe like yourself then you can enjoy your "xxx" culture together.

But if others who held to these beliefs previously, do not subscribe to them now, should we force them to retain them anyway so that the "xxx" belief system will not be without adherents? It is absurd.

Brahmin.
Yes. Would you want to have them act the way that Christians have for the last 1500+ years?

More absurdity.

Your broadbrush of all Christianity, as if each member was an inquisitor, shows the complete breakdown of reasonable argument on your part.

Let's start with where you live. How many Christians do YOU know who are forced to church each week at the point of a gun?

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real life
He we go again with your foolish response and even more foolish questions.
I stated a historical fact that you cannot refute and you respond with your usual absurdity.

Was not Christianity {the powers that be} responsible for Wars, Massacres, Pogroms and, etc., in the pursuit of the spreading of their gospel throughout the world.
It is time for you to come to grips with that truth and stop the BS.

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real life wrote:

If you believe that "xxx" is a valid belief, based on reality, why don't you bring it back? And if you can persuade enough people to believe like yourself then you can enjoy your "xxx" culture together.

But if others who held to these beliefs previously, do not subscribe to them now, should we force them to retain them anyway so that the "xxx" belief system will not be without adherents? It is absurd.

i didnt kill the aztecs or maya or asatru or norse or XXX belief systems.

the missionaries did. onus on them to make amends for their bastardy - and pls stop the howash of the missionaries converting people by preaching to them - they and their side kicks (ie. stste sponsored religious army .. liek the templar knights or like in latin america and goa) converted by the sword and by cunning and by discrimination (eg - those who convert get the nice jobs rest are treated like dogs), plain and simple.

we need to revive the ovens of auschwitz and this time put them to a justifiable use - after all the missionaries and their army (socially, and sometimes literraly, like for example in the goa inquisition in india) genocided so many others all over the world - so would do them no harm to get a dose of their own medicine.

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real life wrote:

More absurdity.

Your broadbrush of all Christianity, as if each member was an inquisitor, shows the complete breakdown of reasonable argument on your part.

Let's start with where you live. How many Christians do YOU know who are forced to church each week at the point of a gun?

and the missionary broadbrush claiming that every single aztec and celt etc etc, were into human sacrifice and blood drinking and their entire belief system was centered on such blood thirsty rituals (and little else) are very vaild ??

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au1929 wrote:

real life
He we go again with your foolish response and even more foolish questions.
I stated a historical fact that you cannot refute and you respond with your usual absurdity.

Was not Christianity {the powers that be} responsible for Wars, Massacres, Pogroms and, etc., in the pursuit of the spreading of their gospel throughout the world.
It is time for you to come to grips with that truth and stop the BS.

well said.

its time someone burst the bubble of the missionaries being peace loving good samaratians of the likes of gandhi and martin luther king jr.

its time that the countless skeletons (pun intended) came out the closet.

in fact most are out, and the whole world knows about the (invariably) bloody side of enavgelisation all too well, but its just that the faithful - in their devout blindness, chose not to see and/or acknowledge whats no big secret at all and should never have been either.

if the maya, celts, norse etc had as powerful and all pervading a media like jews have, then the attrocitioes inflicted on them would have been equally well known as those done for no reason on the jews for over a millenia. but for their formidable grip on the media, the many pogroms would have gone under the carpet by now. but jews will never let the world forget and very righly so. its real sad that the others who've been at the receiving end of missionary carnage - are quite voiceless.

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au1929 wrote:

real life
He we go again with your foolish response and even more foolish questions.
I stated a historical fact that you cannot refute and you respond with your usual absurdity.

Was not Christianity {the powers that be} responsible for Wars, Massacres, Pogroms and, etc., in the pursuit of the spreading of their gospel throughout the world.
It is time for you to come to grips with that truth and stop the BS.

And how far back in history are we going to go?

The Romans who fed Christians to the lions 2000 years ago and crucified them by the thousands are guilty. Therefore, let's see, who can I be mad at today for that?

That is not even addressing the obvious fact that Christianity does not condone or promote such behavior, as anyone familiar with the teachings of Christ will certainly know.

So , today, when a public school teacher violates his trust and molests a student (and there are numerous such stories in the media every month about this very topic ) do we broadbrush all public school teachers as pedophiles ?

Let's get an ounce of sense here.

In your mind , obviously , every Christian today is somehow guilty for the atrocities of someone 500 years ago who used the veil of religion to advance their agenda for power, money or position within the government or a church hierarchy.

So , let's see, what's your background? Any German blood in your veins? Oh oh, you Nazi. Any Italian background? You descendant of the Romans, you. How 'bout any Japanese heritage? Ah ha! Pearl Harbor is YOUR fault. Any Egyptian blood? You enslaver of the Jews! Any English ancestry? You oppressor ! And we could go on.......

If you aren't a Christian because you don't want to quit your lifestyle, don't blame it on some guy 300 years ago. Just say " I love my sin and I will not quit . " Look yourself in the mirror and tell it like it is.

It's not your neighbor's fault who's a deacon and swears like a sailor. It's not your cousin's fault who is a lifelong Christian but has a foul temper.

It's your choice what you make of your life. Quit using others as your excuse.

It is time for you to come to grips with that truth and stop the Blame Syndrome.

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brahmin wrote:

real life wrote:

If you believe that "xxx" is a valid belief, based on reality, why don't you bring it back? And if you can persuade enough people to believe like yourself then you can enjoy your "xxx" culture together.

But if others who held to these beliefs previously, do not subscribe to them now, should we force them to retain them anyway so that the "xxx" belief system will not be without adherents? It is absurd.

i didnt kill the aztecs or maya or asatru or norse or XXX belief systems.

the missionaries did. onus on them to make amends for their bastardy - and pls stop the howash of the missionaries converting people by preaching to them - they and their side kicks (ie. stste sponsored religious army .. liek the templar knights or like in latin america and goa) converted by the sword and by cunning and by discrimination (eg - those who convert get the nice jobs rest are treated like dogs), plain and simple.

we need to revive the ovens of auschwitz and this time put them to a justifiable use - after all the missionaries and their army (socially, and sometimes literraly, like for example in the goa inquisition in india) genocided so many others all over the world - so would do them no harm to get a dose of their own medicine.

Are you advocating murder for revenge?

How are you any better than those you hate? You are not. You are the same as they.

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real life wrote:

Are you advocating murder for revenge?

How are you any better than those you hate? You are not. You are the same as they.

as are the missionaries.

in fact they are worse.

they murdered not just thousands of aztecs and mayats but their accompanying cultures and religions as well.

served them right to get carved up from time to time.

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