True Religion

This is incorrect. He gave us:

- emotional ties to other people & the need to be parts of groups or society
- a conscience
- the ability to reason
- the ability to see the long term outcome of actions

People are able to access within themselves, the understanding of the right way to do things.

Many examples of this exist outside of religion, where people do things in the right way, not because of religion, but because:
- the see the outcomes of actions, and choose actions that have good outcomes; and/or
- they want to achieve something good in this life; and/or
- they want within themselves, to be good, for themself; and/or
- they just believe in doing things in the right way.

Please – religion is its ideology. Without the ideology, there is no religion, no Islam, no Christianity, no religion at all. You take a name of your religion, separate it from its ideology, then say ‘Adam followed Islam’…which ideology he did not. You later attempt to say the same thing about Jesus – which ideology of Islam he did not teach.

You attempt to say ‘they just didn’t know it was Islam’…with the strong implication it was just an incomplete form of your own Islam. Yet we both know Jesus would never have agreed to raids, nor conquest (even if his hypocritical followers later did such). You can claim such of Adam, and yet you can’t say he wouldn’t have been nonplussed by any of the religions that have sprung up.

Or from another angle – you attempt to create a strong implication that ‘Adam followed ‘the Islam I am promoting by submitting’…which he did not (there is way more to the religion of Islam than just submission). And using ‘Adam Submitted to God’ like ‘Muslims submitted to God’ is like saying ‘Christians Pray, and Muslims pray –so all Christians must be Muslims’ – you know this isn’t true. The ideology after that is different.

And it is odd is it not, that Adam, having been created by God, did not bow down X times per day, nor on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.

By the way, you also cannot claim the name Islam to be Holy or Divine. It is drawn out of Arabic language of the time. Like other religions, they take meanings from their own language of the time. By this reckoning, all the other languages used for religions are also divine. Your claim to differentiation is "we used a concept rather than a person or group for our name". Not actually a bad argument, but not a deal maker.

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One method by which the answer can be found is to clear away the superficial differences in the teachings of the various claimants to the ultimate truth, and identifies the central object of worship upon which they call, directly or indirectly. False religions all have in common one basic concept with regard to God: they either claim that all men are gods, or that specific men were God, or that nature is God, or that God is a figment of man’s imagination. Thus, it may be stated that the basic message of false religion is that God may be worshipped in the form of His creation. False religions invite man to the worship of creation by calling the creation or some aspect of it God.
Yet another claim. You offer no proof that such are false religions. By the way, I’m not even saying you are wrong. I’m saying you offer no evidence.

What makes you so sure that God created everyone to worship him, or even that he needs worship? Seems rather egotistical doesn’t it? A being of mass and infinite creation, ruler of the infinite reaches of space, father of all life…needing or even wanting one aspect of creation to worship him. Rather, is it not your need to worship that drives you to want to believe this of God?

I think I did reply to your posts but may be it was not detailed enough. Let me reply again.

If we were to say that no religion in the world today is correct, then this would entail believing that God is unjust because He left us to wander about on earth in sin and transgression without showing us the right way to do things, and this is impossible for a Just God.

Truth you are talking about is relative and changes from person to person based on their experience. You also need to see that we have our limitations. We can't see what future holds and many times we suffer by making wrong decisions.

So we are not fully capable to make 100% right decisions in our lives. We need guidance from our creator who created us because he knows us better than we know ourselves.

Fundamentals from the beginning are the same which is to believe in one God and submit to what God says.

When we worship God, it reminds us of our purpose and we stay on the right path.

If we dont worship God, then we start following our desires which makes us followers of Satan

I totaly understand that for you this is all foreign. This is not how you have viewed the world.

You can see how science proves that even trivial things in Islam benefits Muslims.

The main reason I don't trust Bible is because it contradicts itself on every single fundamental belief in Christianity.

As to the second point, are you joking? Only for a few thousand years, but who's counting.

The 'detail' eventually wasn't the issue. The issue was, and still is to this stage, what you left out - Ie. The context. Particularly, the context relating to what you said, yet again, below:
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If we were to say that no religion in the world today is correct, then this would entail believing that God is unjust because He left us to wander about on earth in sin and transgression without showing us the right way to do things, and this is impossible for a Just God.

You argued that if there was a true religion that it must provide a guide, for if God did not provide a guide, then he would be unjust, and he cannot be unjust. You then strongly implied the only religion to provide is Islam ( so, meaning Mohammed).

I replied that God did provide us with a guide - and it was found within ourselves, in our emotional connections, our conscience etc (see full list in previous).

The obviously implication, using your own logic, is none of the religions need to be true, because God has already provided us with a guide from the beginning, so neither Islams guide, nor Christianities guide is essential to God being a just God (as he did provide us with a guide)

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Truth you are talking about is relative and changes from person to person based on their experience. You also need to see that we have our limitations. We can't see what future holds and many times we suffer by making wrong decisions.
See the future? No. But we can forecast the likely outcomes of our actions. It's easy enough to tell if I am likely to offend someone by saying certain things to them. The more honest we are with ourselves, the easier it becomes to tell what is good for us, and what isn't, what outcomes are likely, what aren't. But suffer for making wrong decisions? I hope you place this hand in hand with learning from our mistakes?

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Fundamentals from the beginning are the same which is to believe in one God and submit to what God says.
Fundamentals hardly make two things the same. A cat and dog both have many fundamentals in common:
- 4 legs
- tail
- head
- 2 ears
- 2 eyes
- nose
- sharp teeth
- and the list goes on extensively.
But they aren't the same.

The thing is - every tool we need to be good people, we have given to us. Every thing we need to be happy, we have (Generally. And nor I do not mean materially). These can very simply, be found within ourselves. All it takes is willingness, honesty with yourself (honesty with yourself takes self awareness and practice), and practice (practising what you find)...and that's it.

It is He who created night and day, the Sun and the Moon, each floating in its orbit. [Al-Quran 21:33]

Those who reject Our signs, We shall soon Cast into the Fire; As often as their skins Are roasted through, We shall change them For fresh skins, That they may taste The Penalty: for Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. [Al-Quran 4:56]

There is no God but Allah and Muhammad PBUH is His Messenger.

Thankyou for your well known cherry picking diatribe about 'revealed science' in the Koran