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Is it wrong to break an immoral promise?

 
 
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 06:19 am
Joefromchicago asked:
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"Pay for it" in what respect?


In that you must make the choice. Betry your promise to help rob the bank and suffer the retribution of the betrayed one, or rob the bank and suffer the imprisonment. In that respect. To live as an outlaw, or to never accept the validity of the betrayed one's anger is to avoid restoring your moral self. It is degenerating.

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How is "I promise that I will steal your wife" any different from "I promise to kill your wife"?


For one, there is no killing. That's one difference that is key. Does a man and a woman really own eachother? If I said to you that I wanted to kill your wife, then your wife would be your most powerful ally against me. If I said I would steal her you'd have to watch her too, to see if I was succeding. Maybe I should have specified that I meant "make your wife love me" when I said "steal".
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Heeven
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2005 07:43 am
Re: Is it wrong to break an immoral promise?
joefromchicago wrote:
Heeven wrote:
In my eyes since the promise was to do an immoral act, the breaking of that promise is not morally wrong.

Then should we praise Albert for breaking his promise?


Why should we praise Albert for anything? For not going through with the murder? While it is good that Albert did not commit murder, it seems if we were to praise him for backing out of it, we are treating him like a child. The fact is Albert "considered" doing the murder. That he later reneged on the promise, while being a good thing, does not entitle him to flowers thrown at his feet and our undying love and devotion (unless of course I happened to be the person he was promising to kill - I'm betting I would feel differently then!)
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 05:44 am
Are there not examples in history of people recieving the nobel peace price simply for stopping the genocide they had set in motion? I seem to recall something vaguely, but I might be referring to drivel picked up somewhere. Does anyone know?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 08:53 pm
Cyracuz wrote:
In that you must make the choice. Betry your promise to help rob the bank and suffer the retribution of the betrayed one, or rob the bank and suffer the imprisonment. In that respect. To live as an outlaw, or to never accept the validity of the betrayed one's anger is to avoid restoring your moral self. It is degenerating.

"Restore your moral self"? I don't understand.

Cyracuz wrote:
For one, there is no killing. That's one difference that is key. Does a man and a woman really own eachother? If I said to you that I wanted to kill your wife, then your wife would be your most powerful ally against me. If I said I would steal her you'd have to watch her too, to see if I was succeding. Maybe I should have specified that I meant "make your wife love me" when I said "steal".

I confess I am completely baffled.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 08:57 pm
Re: Is it wrong to break an immoral promise?
Heeven wrote:
Why should we praise Albert for anything? For not going through with the murder? While it is good that Albert did not commit murder, it seems if we were to praise him for backing out of it, we are treating him like a child. The fact is Albert "considered" doing the murder. That he later reneged on the promise, while being a good thing, does not entitle him to flowers thrown at his feet and our undying love and devotion (unless of course I happened to be the person he was promising to kill - I'm betting I would feel differently then!)

Let me be clear here: when I say "praise" in this context I am talking specifically about "moral praise." Put simply, "moral praise" is the equivalent of saying "that action is good" or "it is good that the actor did that." Throwing flowers at the actor's feet is purely optional.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2005 04:21 am
Yes Joe, I didn't make myself very clear. But it's as clear as it is to me. Never mind..
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