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Trump is the most dangerous president in history

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2019 07:44 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
oralloy wrote:
We decisively won every battle.

You may want to go back to your history books.
www.realclearhistory.com/2016/06/09/the_lost_battles_of_vietnam_war_2564.html
No, the U.S. did not win all the battles.

I only looked over the first 30 or so entries on the list, but they seem to be minor skirmishes at best.

But to avoid trying to hash out just what does or doesn't count as a battle, I'll modify my term to "major battle".


Sturgis wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Only after completely eradicating the Vietcong.

You really need to brush up on your history.

Not really. My facts are sound.


Sturgis wrote:
In the final analysis, the United States lost. Communism took hold fully in the southern half of Vietnam. Not a win since part of our going there was to keep the communists from taking over.

Communism took over because, after we won the war, the treasonous Democrats cut off all aid to South Vietnam so that they would collapse.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2019 07:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
Vietnam was as great a fraud as any war we have fought. It should have been an example for us to keep us from making these criminal mistakes, but nothing has changed.

Protecting democracy from Communism was hardly a fraudulent endeavor.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2019 07:47 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You lost.

Wrong again. We decisively won every major battle.


izzythepush wrote:
Vietnam kicked you out.

Wrong again. We eradicated the Vietcong and then drew down because South Vietnam didn't require our troops to survive.


izzythepush wrote:
You lost.

Wrong again. We decisively won every major battle.


izzythepush wrote:
If you had won there would be an American military base in Vietnam like in Bahrain or the Philippines.

Not necessarily. How many American bases were in France after we pushed the Nazis out?


izzythepush wrote:
There isn't, because you lost.

Wrong again. The reason for South Vietnam's collapse was because the treasonous Democrats maliciously cut off their aid.


izzythepush wrote:
It doesn't matter how many battles you won. You lost the war,

Wrong again. We only pulled out after the Vietcong was completely eradicated. South Vietnam fell because the treasonous Democrats maliciously cut off their aid.


izzythepush wrote:
You can't blame it on the Democrats,

Yes I can. They are the ones who maliciously cut off South Vietnam's aid.


izzythepush wrote:
America lost, Vietnam won.

Wrong again. We decisively won every major battle.


izzythepush wrote:
Have you been up all night? It must be morning there now. Oh dear. I've been up and out and back again.

I dozed off for a bit. But it was a busy night.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2019 07:54 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Vietnam War - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
The Vietnam War (Vietnamese: Chiến tranh Việt Nam), also known as the Second Indochina War, and in Vietnam as the Resistance War Against America (Vietnamese: Kháng chiến chống Mỹ) or simply the American War, was a conflict in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from 1 November 1955 to the fall of Saigon on 30 April 1975.
Who won the Vietnam War - answers.com
www.answers.com/Q/Who_won_the_Vietnam_War
North Vietnamese won the Vietnam War, and it is the year 1975, not 1990, that they militarily defeat South Vietnam.
Remember that platform in Saigon where the last helicopter flew off from? I saw that platform when I visited Vietnam, but what was more interesting was the fact that most don't remember that war, because most were still not born. The War Remembrance Museum in Saigon is very good if anyone visits Vietnam. We also visited the cu chi tunnels; a whole town underneath the ground.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2019 08:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Remember that platform in Saigon where the last helicopter flew off from?

Yes. The Democrats should never be forgiven for cutting off aid to South Vietnam.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2019 08:45 pm
@oralloy,
Yes, never forgive the democrats. Please live out your life hating them.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 10 Aug, 2019 10:38 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
my facts are sound


Obviously not true. You just admitted that the U.S. lost battles, even though earlier you said they had not lost any.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 12:44 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:
oralloy wrote:
My facts are sound.

Obviously not true.

Wrong. We did eradicate the Vietcong before pulling our troops out.


Sturgis wrote:
You just admitted that the U.S. lost battles, even though earlier you said they had not lost any.

Calling a minor skirmish a battle is a stretch. And it has nothing to do with the fact that we eradicated the Vietcong before we pulled our troops out.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 01:19 am
@Sturgis,
Some people are just very confused and incurious.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 03:38 am
@glitterbag,
Some people can't cope with the facts that I post, and they lash out at me with personal attacks.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 04:44 am
@oralloy,
The fact is America lost the Vietnam war.

You aren't even on nodding terms with reality.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 05:06 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
The fact is America lost the Vietnam war.

Wrong again. We won every major battle and crushed the Vietcong.

South Vietnam collapsed because the treasonous Democrats cut off their aid.


izzythepush wrote:
You aren't even on nodding terms with reality.

Your inability to point out anything that I am wrong about speaks for itself.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 05:18 am
@oralloy,
You're insane. You lost, and your delusional ranting won't change facts.

Although I'm starting to realise why you're so frightened all the time.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 05:29 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You're insane. You lost,

Wrong again. We won every major battle and eradicated the Vietcong.

South Vietnam collapsed because the treasonous Democrats cut off their aid.


izzythepush wrote:
and your delusional ranting won't change facts.

You cannot point out anything that I've said that is untrue.


izzythepush wrote:
Although I'm starting to realise why you're so frightened all the time.

Don't be silly. I know you need to fall back on personal attacks because you have no facts or logic with which to defend your position. But that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 05:39 am
@oralloy,
You lost. America lost the Vietnam war. It's a fact, like your IQ is significantly below 170. Deal with it, and stop wasting grown up's valuable time.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 05:49 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You lost. America lost the Vietnam war. It's a fact,

Wrong again. We won every major battle and eradicated the Vietcong.

South Vietnam collapsed because the treasonous Democrats cut off their aid.


izzythepush wrote:
like your IQ is significantly below 170. Deal with it,

Wrong again. My IQ is 170.


izzythepush wrote:
and stop wasting grown up's valuable time.

You are the only person who is responsible for your use of your time.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 05:56 am
@oralloy,
I'm not wasting any more time on your delusions.

You're very dull and I've got much better things to do with my time.

America lost. The Viet Minh, (try to get your terminology right) were triumphant.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/south-vietnam-surrenders

Quote:
By dawn, communist forces move into Saigon, where they meet only sporadic resistance. The South Vietnamese forces had collapsed under the rapid advancement of the North Vietnamese. The most recent fighting had begun in December 1974, when the North Vietnamese had launched a major attack against the lightly defended province of Phuoc Long, located due north of Saigon along the Cambodian border, overrunning the provincial capital at Phuoc Binh on January 6, 1975. Despite previous presidential promises to provide aid in such a scenario, the United States did nothing. By this time, Nixon had resigned from office and his successor, Gerald Ford, was unable to convince a hostile Congress to make good on Nixon’s earlier promises to rescue Saigon from communist takeover.


oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 06:05 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
I'm not wasting any more time on your delusions.

Your inability to point out anything that I am wrong about speaks for itself.


izzythepush wrote:
You're very dull

You engage in personal attacks because you are unable to defend your position with facts or logic.


izzythepush wrote:
America lost.

Wrong again. We won every major battle and destroyed the Vietcong.


izzythepush wrote:
The Viet Minh, were triumphant.

They were triumphant because the treasonous Democrats cut off aid to South Vietnam.


izzythepush wrote:
try to get your terminology right

I always get my terminology right.


izzythepush wrote:
Quote:
Despite previous presidential promises to provide aid in such a scenario, the United States did nothing. By this time, Nixon had resigned from office and his successor, Gerald Ford, was unable to convince a hostile Congress to make good on Nixon’s earlier promises to rescue Saigon from communist takeover.

Thanks for posting a cite that confirms that everything that I said is completely correct.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 06:10 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Your inability to point out anything that I am wrong about speaks for itself.


You're wrong about the Vietnam War. America lost.

Your inability to comprehend that fact or speak without repeating yourself and overusing clichés shows you have no concept of reality or anything really.

I'm not wasting any more time.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 11 Aug, 2019 06:16 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You're wrong about the Vietnam War. America lost.

Wrong again. We decisively won every major battle, and we crushed the Vietcong.

South Vietnam fell because the treasonous Democrats cut off their aid. Your own cite confirms that I am correct.


izzythepush wrote:
Your inability to comprehend that fact

It's not a fact.


izzythepush wrote:
or speak without repeating yourself

Those of us who always tell the truth have less variability in our posts.


izzythepush wrote:
and overusing clichés

Nonsense. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel again in your desperation to attack me.


izzythepush wrote:
shows you have no concept of reality or anything really.

Your inability to point out anything that I'm wrong about speaks for itself.
 

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