If pot had never been discovered...

George Carlin once said that he believed pot opened up certain doors for him, creatively speaking, that wouldn't have been opened had he not smoked it. But he did also say that it gets to a point where it stops having that effect, and this is when it can possibly actually stifle creativity. I think it depends on the person, and just how much o' the stuff they're smokin'.

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Djever fly stoned? boy the passengers wouldnt stop screaming

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Just depressurize the passenger cabin. That shuts 'em up after a coupla minutes.

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kickycan wrote:

George Carlin once said that he believed pot opened up certain doors for him, creatively speaking, that wouldn't have been opened had he not smoked it. But he did also say that it gets to a point where it stops having that effect, and this is when it can possibly actually stifle creativity. I think it depends on the person, and just how much o' the stuff they're smokin'.

I agree very much with this.

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kickycan wrote:

George Carlin once said that he believed pot opened up certain doors for him, creatively speaking, that wouldn't have been opened had he not smoked it. But he did also say that it gets to a point where it stops having that effect, and this is when it can possibly actually stifle creativity. I think it depends on the person, and just how much o' the stuff they're smokin'.

I think this states my position much better.

I am a philosophy professor and I am surrounded by 19 year old high-on's who are convinced it is the liberating drug of the future - when in reality I see thier grades plummet, them loose thier jobs, and becomes idiots that can only talk about pot with 8,000,000 euphamisms. It gets REALLY old.

I think you all are talking from a responsible prespective but I can't help but think it sounds like glamorization of things that tend to be destructive to the masses.

I notice that my pot head students can only talk creatively about what they can make bongs out of. 'Dude - I could totally make a bong out of this book!'

I also get tired of them attempting to emulate the dead people on thier tye dye t-shirts. Aspirating your own vomit to death is so friggen cool to them.

This is what I think of when I think of dope - so you need to excuse me and understand where I come from.

TTF

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All true.

Thing is, when I was at that stage, I was high daily, and had just graduated second in my HS class and was a regents scholar -- and doing very well in my philosophy classes, tyvm. (Different story when I started drinking every day...) By the same token, I've known plenty of people who were dumb as rocks without the weed. It's an obvious (and annoying) fixation, and it can definitely exacerbate an innate tendency to be an inert idiot, true, but I'm not sure that pot deserves all the blame there.

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patiodog wrote:

All true.

It's an obvious (and annoying) fixation, and it can definitely exacerbate an innate tendency to be an inert idiot, true, but I'm not sure that pot deserves all the blame there.

Good point.

I wanted to lay my cards out so that you all understand why I am harshin' yalls mellow. Wink

TF

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Just arguin' to argue, TF. Also spent a lot of time playing really bad music in dark garages, so I could've argued either way there.

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TF, I see where you're coming from, and now I totally understand your point of view. Now that you mention it, for every George Carlin, Bob Marley, John Lennon, etc., there are probably about a hundred Beavis and/or Buttheads.

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TF
I also understand where you're coming from, but see both sides as well. I have had quite a bit of experience over the years with both sides of this issue, so I see the good and bad sides of it.
I think if it's used sparingly it can have a very calming effect for those with stressful lives, but it does become a problem if it's used every single day.
I've known my share of Beavis and Buttheads and it's not pretty.

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Making definitive statements about the effect of pot on an individual is absurd. It effects different people in different ways.

Much as I would like to suggest that IT DOES STIMULATE CREATIVITY...and it most assuredly does in me...I am enough in control to acknowledge that simply because it does something for me does not mean it does that same thing for others.

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patiodog wrote:

Just arguin' to argue, TF. Also spent a lot of time playing really bad music in dark garages, so I could've argued either way there.

I love playing really bad music in dark garages, even without drugs.

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A thought...

To highly creative people, just about any novel experience can serve as fodder. Since drugs are an easy way to access novel experiences (until the user reaches the point where the experience no longer carries any novelty, whether because of repeated use or unvarying circumstances of use), they can stimulate creativity in the already creatively inclined.

I think a lot when I'm stone, tripping, whatever -- especially these days, when such occurences are infrequent. But I tend to think a lot anyway. The altered thoughts aren't necessarily any better than the sober thoughts, but they do tend to go down paths I don't tread every day. (I find it easier to spot hypocrisies in my life, then, too -- which used to lead to occasional crises, now to amusement.)

Not the case for everyone. (The wife, fer instance, just wants to laugh at stuff, and doesn't understand why my brain is always working. So be it -- she's happier when she's stoned than I am.)

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