Who has more control of our thinking; God or Satan?

brianjakub wrote:

When did God destroy innocent lives?

What about when the firstborns were killed during Passover? A lot of them would still have been babies.

What you describe is a seekers mind.
Most Christians and Muslims are idol worshipers and not seekers.

There is no position and no ground of ideas to defend, and as such it is a mind that transcends the ego, a mind whose identity is universal and stems from nature itself. This is what I call the creative religious mind

What about when the firstborns were killed during Passover? A lot of them would still have been babies

They weren't destroyed forever, they will be resurrected in the end to go where they chose to go. The ones that want to be with God will be with Him for eternity and the ones that don't want to be with God will be away from Him for eternity. There will be none seperated from God that doesn't want to be. Do you want to be.

Or most of the human race in the great flood including infants in their mother arms.

BillRM wrote:

Or most of the human race in the great flood including infants in their mother arms.

The flood never happened, that's just fiction.

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If you want to think your prick of a god fouled up, go ahead oh yee of little faith

He created a bunch of men in His image with free will that chose to screw up. Fortunately He said will make it all new again and all the evidence suggests He is capable of doing it. Especially, since making new should be easier that second time around. I don't think He should be called a prick for doing that. Why do you?

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What you describe is a seekers mind.
Most Christians and Muslims are idol worshipers and not seekers.

An idol is an object. The universe has vast amounts of information stored as potential energy in the atoms of matter and the higgs bosons of empty space. This energy is stored using very specific patterns. Every quark and electron in the universe is the same and every atom of every type has the same number of quarks and electrons. Objects store information, they don't create it. Intelligent beings create new information by manipulating objects (matter).

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There is no position and no ground of ideas to defend, and as such it is a mind that transcends the ego, a mind whose identity is universal and stems from nature itself. This is what I call the creative religious mind

A mind that is universal cannot be universal if it is bounded by matter because all of matter has boundaries, that by definition is not universal. A universal mind would have existed before the boundaries we view as the universe and the matter in it. A universal mind would have had to create those boundaries by establishing order in a quantum nucleation events using quarks, as shown in the following quote:

Gen1: 1 [a]In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit[c] of God was moving over the face of the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

Here is a description of a universal mind creating storing information in the quarks of the universe. And then the following shows how he collected the quarks into matter "dryland Earth" in the sea we know as the higgs field or space time continuum of outer space are the "Seas".

Gen 1:9 And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas.

I don't think an idol could do all that do you?

Do you want to be.

First where in the bible are non-Christians born before Jesus came along an likely worshipers of one of the thousands of gods predating the one in three gods promise to be resurrected?

Making up your own religion?

Next given that the Christian god is a monster who put innocent children to a slow and painful death by drowning who would desire an eternity with such a
monster?

BillRM wrote:

Or most of the human race in the great flood including infants in their mother arms.

The flood never happened, that's just fiction.

Most of it is, I'll give you that, but there are question marks over certain events such as Passover, but the flood is out and out fiction and provably so.

To say that god is just, one must run from moral discussions which is what you and most Christians do.

Check the timing of the Passover and note how Christianity does not celebrate it when the Jews did.

Like the Jewish interpreted elevation of man in Eden, as compared to the fall Christianity sees, Christianity reversed many of the moral of the story when they usurped the Jewish god.

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Check the timing of the Passover and note how Christianity does not celebrate it when the Jews did.

Like the Jewish interpreted elevation of man in Eden, as compared to the fall Christianity sees, Christianity reversed many of the moral of the story when they usurped the Jewish god.

Jesus was a Jew. A Jew that becomes a Christian is called a completed Jew. Jesus fulfilled all their prophesy about the savior by the final sacrificial atonement for all. God did not murder His Son, He allowed men to do it. Jesus is still alive. Thousands of people witnessed Him walking around after the resurrection.

God allows suffering so we can learn from experience. Most of what you learn is from the mistakes you or somebody else made.

How can rational adults give credence to such nonsense

For that matter the human race is still going ahead and creating gods . . .