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WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS??

 
 
inyen
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 04:42 pm
Eorl wrote:
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Just a personal theory: is pantheism just an exuse for people who don't actually believe in any gods to convince themselves that they do?

Of course not.
The Universe aka Nature created us to her liking and granted us a certain though very limited independence. It is utterly useless to deny her existence or her vast superiority over us. No need to convince anybody that the universe is infinitely superior to man. And the buck stops here. No need to believe that there is any god superior to the universe either.
It would be wise to worship Nature and all things created and act accordingly in order to preserve human life on this planet which reincarnates in our children and future civilization.
No need for excuses or superstitions or lies.
Just respect for the universe, living creatures and science.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 04:46 pm
"WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS??"

The bible says they must "save" one thousand souls before they can be 'saved' from hell-fire.

On second thought, that may just be the common rumor.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 04:48 pm
Quote, "It would be wise to worship Nature and all things created and act accordingly in order to preserve human life on this planet which reincarnates in our children and future civilization." "Wise" and "human" is an oxymoron, or haven't you noticed yet?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 04:48 pm
I hope it doesn't CI because the logical extension of that would mean you need at least a 1000 unbelievers to every believer and there are too many christians for this planet to house a 1000 heathens for each one....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 04:49 pm
Or the other way around.
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booman2
 
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Reply Thu 26 May, 2005 07:50 pm
Just like B.Y.O.B...theres......S.Y.O.S. Cool
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Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 05:36 am
inyen wrote:
Eorl wrote:
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Just a personal theory: is pantheism just an exuse for people who don't actually believe in any gods to convince themselves that they do?

Of course not.
The Universe aka Nature created us to her liking and granted us a certain though very limited independence. It is utterly useless to deny her existence or her vast superiority over us. No need to convince anybody that the universe is infinitely superior to man. And the buck stops here. No need to believe that there is any god superior to the universe either.
It would be wise to worship Nature and all things created and act accordingly in order to preserve human life on this planet which reincarnates in our children and future civilization.
No need for excuses or superstitions or lies.
Just respect for the universe, living creatures and science.


I suspect you and I would be fundamentally in complete agreement while semantically poles apart. Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 09:27 am
inyen, The American Indians were wise beyond their time. Wink
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inyen
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 04:22 pm
Eorl wrote
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I suspect you and I would be fundamentally in complete agreement while semantically poles apart.

I like that, it sounds like entertainment.

cicerone imposter wrote
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The American Indians were wise beyond their time.

And many other so-called primitive people knew some basic things about the world. Maybe they didn't elaborate on weird ideas because they lacked the city type of organization and hierarchy of the middle eastern civilization.

Getting back to the topic:
WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS?
Because we all want to change this world and 1. vainly think we know best how to achieve it, 2. need other people to get it done.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2005 05:03 pm
WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS?

Because they are religious biggots.
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 04:01 pm
WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS?

Because they do not believe in the concept of free thought. As John Steinbeck said, "This I believe: that the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: the freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 04:15 pm
Anon, Steinbeck was an individualist and an adventurer; always admired the man. Did you know there's a Steinbeck museum in Salinas?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 04:41 pm
<reading along>
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Anonymouse
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2005 05:40 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Anon, Steinbeck was an individualist and an adventurer; always admired the man. Did you know there's a Steinbeck museum in Salinas?


I didn't know that, but perhaps I will check it out. I visit my girlfriend in Stanford all the time.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 08:11 am
In Political Step, Pope Confronts Law on Fertility

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By IAN FISHER and ELISABETTA POVOLEDO
Published: May 31, 2005
ROME, May 30 - Pope Benedict XVI waded gingerly into Italian politics on Monday for his first time, endorsing a call by Italian bishops for a boycott of a contentious referendum on medically assisted fertility.

The referendum seeks to overturn key provisions in a law passed here last year that is the most restrictive on medically assisted fertility in Europe. The current law bans donations of sperm and eggs, defines life as beginning at conception, and allows fertility treatment only to married heterosexual couples.

The effort to roll back many of those provisions is shaping up as an important battleground for the Roman Catholic Church, energized by a new pope with strong views on social issues. The Radical Party gathered more than a million signatures to force the referendum. Since then, the fight has raged for weeks in pulpits and in the press, with posters in the streets, advertisements on television and pamphlets in churches.

In his comments on Monday, Benedict raised the temperature a decisive degree by backing the strategy of Italian bishops, who have encouraged Italians to shun the referendum on June 12-13 in the hope of keeping the turnout under 50 percent, which would in effect preserve the law.

Many in Italy, which is overwhelmingly Catholic, support the law and the church's engagement to protect it. But others worry that the church is making a disturbing intrusion into politics.

"You are committed to illuminate the choice of Catholics and of all citizens in the imminent referendum on assisted procreation," the pope told Italian bishops at a conference at the Vatican.

While Benedict did not address the referendum in detail, his willingness to step into the fray seemed to show that he would continue the activist stance of his predecessor, John Paul II, on issues important to the church.

As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and in his six weeks as pope, he has spoken often about the church's strong advocacy of preserving human life, particularly the unborn, and about the need for the church to take a more muscular stance against secularism. Those issues are central to the referendum.

"The question is tied very much to what happened in Spain, which was seen as another moment of this challenge," said Sandro Magister, an expert on the Vatican who is generally supportive of Benedict.

He referred to a recent bill in Spain allowing gay marriage that Catholics have loudly protested. Earlier this month, Benedict wrote a letter to Spanish bishops saying, "The transmission of the faith and religious practices cannot remain confined to the purely private sphere."

Mr. Magister, who writes for the weekly L'Espresso, also noted the church's rallying in defense of Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman who died in March after her husband won a long battle to detach her feeding tube. "The fact that these battles are fought over real-life cases shows the centrality of these themes, and on these themes the church hierarchy has decided to energetically commit itself to reawaken the church," he said.

In Italy, the church and activist Catholics sense a good chance to win the referendum fight, saying they feel invigorated in a way that was not the case when intensive church lobbying failed to prevent divorce and abortion from becoming legal here in the 1970's and 80's.


continued
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/31/international/europe/31italy.html?th&emc=th
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 11:26 pm
au1929 wrote:
WHY DO PEOPLE TRY TO FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS?

Because they are religious biggots.
Now THERE'S some thought went into that. A two syllable insult that needs spell check. Nice job.

Didn't take long to get the name callers to come out did it? Nope never does. When they run out of things to say, which is usually pretty quick, well by golly let's see if we can't get our way by calling names. After all it worked in junior high.

But of course, YOU are not a bigot, are you? YOU would never stereotype or prejudge a person based on, say, their religion; would you?

No it's just those nasty religious folks who prejudge; never the open minded, tolerance crowd , is it? Of course not. They are the ones who stand for freedom of expression don't you know? That everyone's got a right, that's their motto. Yep everyone should have a say so (unless they're RELIGIOUS).
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 31 May, 2005 11:45 pm
The word bigot means someone who is convinced that they are the member of a uniquely superior group. It only inferentially refers to prejudice, because the bigot by definition considers those who are not members of the unique group to be inferior. It is therefore not unreasonable to posit that those who try to force their religion on others are by definition bigots. Saying as much does not automatically mean that the person so saying condemns all those with religious conviction. It certainly doesn't authorize the nasty response you have made, "Real Life," which rather beggars your own self-righteous indignation.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 06:39 am
real life
Bigot
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Is that not a fitting description of someone who trys to force their religion on others. It may in the light of day disturb you. However, the truth is the truth.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2005 10:23 pm
au1929 wrote:
real life
Bigot
a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Is that not a fitting description of someone who trys to force their religion on others. It may in the light of day disturb you. However, the truth is the truth.
Yes I think we are all familiar with the definition as well as the spelling of the word.

However, maybe you should define the word "force", as it relates to the discussion.

Have you ever been forced by violence, torture or threat of violence to accept a religious view? You probably have not.

Have you ever been forced or coerced by loss of a job to accept a religious view? You probably have not.

Have you ever been forced to meet in secret to share your views , whatever they may be, with others of like mind? You probably have not.

Now let's look at atheism as typified in the past 100 years by Communism.

If you want to see who and what groups have used these types of force to gain compliance with their views, you need look no further back in history than the Communist societies, rooted and built on atheism.

Millions dead and hundreds of millions subjugated to atheism in China, the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, North Korea, and on.

Is this getting a little close to home?

In the modern world (the last few centuries), overwhelmingly it is not Christians who have used force to gain adherents as have atheists.

So let's talk real world today stuff. Are you game?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2005 06:36 am
real life
Let me remind you that the question asked in this thread is" Why do people try to force their religion on others". To which my response was that they were bigots. By definition that answer holds.
Your questions regarding whether I was ever forced to Bla,bla,bla. are irrelevant and have nothing at all to do with the theme of this thread. Try staying on issue instead of asking irrelevant questions.
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