Has the Schiavo case Become a Political Football?

Brandon9000 wrote:

Can your thinking processes actually be this glacial?

Perhaps you've never heard that those sitting in a glasshouse shouldn't throw stones.

You'd have been a lot of fun during the Holocaust.

Brandon9000 wrote:

You'd have been a lot of fun during the Holocaust.

What the hell are you talking about? When did we start talking about Hitler's Germany? This is a nation of laws. I'm sorry that bothers you. Equating respecting due process to the Holocaust is ludicrous.

Brandon,

I still think that your holocaust comment was pretty low and uncalled for; especially given the quote you referenced, which didn't seem to merit such a response.

Not that I think that you care what I think, but still... pretty low

Cycloptichorn

Dookiestix wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Many of the libs were singing a different tune when the Supreme Court settled the 2000 presidential election.

Yes, because the Supreme court voted right along party lines in one of the most hotly contested elections in modern American history.

Please show us where the courts were as divided in the case of Terri Shiavo. As you will find out, it was Greer, a Christian Republican, who upholded the rulings, and it was a majority of Republican nominated judges who overwhelmingly agreed with Michael Shiavo. That would include MOST of the doctors, as the few others who disagreed ended up being charlatans. That would include Dr. Frist, who can somehow make an educated diagnosis via a video clip.

How is it that you would use such a poorly thought out analogy?

My only point was that this idea that court decisions are necessarily the correct ones is something that some people adopt only when convenient. The fact that I compare one aspect of two things does not mean that I declare them to be identical in all respects. This is elementary.

Not every reference to the Holocaust is "low" regardless of context.

New York, NY (Feb. 7, 2005) – Using sophisticated brain imaging techniques, researchers at Columbia University Medical Center, New York Presbyterian-Hospital-Weill Cornell Campus, and JKF Johnson Rehabilitation Institute in New Jersey have found that some seemingly unconscious patients with severe brain damage are, in fact, capable of responding to speech.

“The results challenge our thinking about the possible inner lives these patients may experience, and also motivate renewed interest in research aimed at recovery and rehabilitation,” said the study’s senior author, Joy Hirsch, Ph.D., professor of neuroradiology and psychology and director of the fMRI Research Center at Columbia University Medical Center. “Brain imaging can be thought of as giving a voice to minimally conscious patients and allows us as physicians and scientists to be more aware about the patient’s potential for rehabilitation.”

Euthanasia, otherwise known as "mercy killings", is the terminating of ones' life because of an illness; and if this person was not able to make the decision for themselves, the decision was done by a relative. When the Nazis got hold of euthanasia, they turned the meaning into the "destruction of worthless life."

Brandon9000 wrote:

Dookiestix wrote:

Brandon wrote:

Many of the libs were singing a different tune when the Supreme Court settled the 2000 presidential election.

Yes, because the Supreme court voted right along party lines in one of the most hotly contested elections in modern American history.

Please show us where the courts were as divided in the case of Terri Shiavo. As you will find out, it was Greer, a Christian Republican, who upholded the rulings, and it was a majority of Republican nominated judges who overwhelmingly agreed with Michael Shiavo. That would include MOST of the doctors, as the few others who disagreed ended up being charlatans. That would include Dr. Frist, who can somehow make an educated diagnosis via a video clip.

How is it that you would use such a poorly thought out analogy?

My only point was that this idea that court decisions are necessarily the correct ones is something that some people adopt only when convenient. The fact that I compare one aspect of two things does not mean that I declare them to be identical in all respects. This is elementary.

They aren't identical whatsoever. This is preschool.

Terri Schiavo did not die in 1990. She suffered brain damage. There are substantial arguments concerning the extent of that brain damage.

Sure, and the Taliban had all kinds of things in place I would have fought against, as I would have in Hitler's Germany. But we're not talking about Germany or Afghanistan. We're talking about this country and this case. Inferring that I would find humor during the holocaust is insulting.

Oh, for Christ's sake. Now we're all Nazis!

Well we don't know whether Terri could have swallowed small amounts of water or soft foods do we? No one was allowed to try to give them to her. At least if a heart machine is disconnected, the patient is allowed to live if the heart continues to beat. If a respirator is turned off, the patient is allowed to live if s/he continues to breathe. But nobody was allowed to offer Terri Schiavo a teaspoon or eyedropper of water or a taste of vanilla pudding. She was ordered to die by the court and so she did.