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Has the Schiavo case Become a Political Football?

 
 
Dookiestix
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 01:08 pm
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-delay27mar27,0,5710023.story?coll=la-home-headlines

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It was a pleasant late afternoon in the Hill Country of Texas on Nov. 17, 1988.The family then turned to lawyers.Verhovek reported from Canyon Lake, Texas; Roche reported from Washington. Also contributing to this report were Times researchers Lianne Hart in San Antonio and Nona Yates in Los Angeles.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 01:17 pm
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/johansen200503160848.asp

Here's an example of the kind of report that continues to confuse the issue.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/johansen200503160848.asp

And here is a relevant argument about it.

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At National Review Online, Father Rob Johansen writes about the legal proceedings surrounding Terri Schiavo. The point I'm interested in is Johansen's contention that "[e]xpert witnesses in court are supposed to be unbiased: disinterested in the outcome of the case. Part of the procedure in qualifying expert witnesses is establishing that they are objective and unbiased." Johansen argues that an expert witness, Dr. Cranford, who testified Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state was a biased witness because he is allegedly an advocate "in the 'right to die' and euthanasia movements." Says Johansen, "one needs to know a little about Cranford's background and perspective" in order to evaluate Cranford's opinions.

To support his argument, Johansen quotes some neurologists to whom he provided a selective account of the medical evidence and legal proceedings.

Among them, there's "Dr. William Bell, a professor of neurology at Wake Forest University Medical School." For some strange reason, Johansen doesn't think we need to know a little -- or anything -- about Bell's background or perspective. Among other things, Bell is a member of the Christian Medical and Dental Society. Although Johansen obviously thinks otherwise, you might be interested to know that the Christian Medical and Dental Society believes that "[t]he human body belongs to God," holds some bigoted psuedo-scientific views about homosexuality, and compares embryonic stem cell research to Nazi war crimes.

No bias or interest there. And I'm sure Johansen picked Bell entirely at random, as opposed to selecting him for the outcome he desires.

Then there's "Dr. Thomas Zabiega, who trained at the University of Chicago." I think we can presume that's Thomas Zabiega, M.D., Vice President for Legislative Affairs for the Catholic Physicians' Guild of Chicago. Let's keep that Father Rob's little secret, shall we?

In the article, Father Rob makes it sound as if Dr. Bell is hearing about the Schiavo case for the first time. ("I have spent the past ten days recruiting and interviewing neurologists willing to come forward and offer affidavits or declarations concerning new testing and examinations for Terri....") Yet Bell, apparently accepting Father Rob's version as gospel, has made up his mind: "It seems as though they're fearful of any additional information," "medical realities are no longer governing this case," "once a decision is made they don't want additional information." No prejudgment there either.

Father Rob is a man who likes to cherry-pick his experts and avoid disclosure of important but inconvenient facts. If we judge him by his own standard, he can't be trusted.


http://familyphysiciansgroup.familydoctors.net/prov99796378.php

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Peter Morin

Born and raised in Lincoln, Nebraska, Dr. Peter Morin is the eighth of nine children. He has fond memories from his childhood growing up in an old house in the Near South Neighborhood. During his years at Pius X High School, Dr. Morin participated in cross country, track, and National Honor Society, and was elected Speaker of the Class for graduation. After earning a B.S. in Biology from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Dr. Morin married his high school sweetheart, Mary. The young couple moved to Omaha while Dr. Morin attended the University of Nebraska College of Medicine to pursue his goal of becoming a family practice physician. Dr. Morin's commitment to family practice stems form his concern for people of all ages, his desire to care for the "whole" person, and his interest in a treating a wide variety of medical conditions. After graduating from the University of Nebraska Medical Center, Dr. Morin completed his training at the Lincoln Family Practice Residency Program, located in Lincoln, Nebraska. Following residency, Dr. Morin joined Family Physicians Group, P.C., allowing him the opportunity to serve his hometown community. Dr. Morin is a certified consultant for Natural Family Planning and is an NFP only physician. Dr. Morin and his wife, Mary, have been blessed with five children and enjoy family oriented hobbies including biking, hiking, gardening, and playing music together. The Morins are members of St. Teresa Catholic Church and spend much of their free time in church and school related activities. Dr. Morin considers himself a pretty decent mandolin, a well-loved husband and father, and lucky to have a job he enjoys.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 02:01 pm
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Has the Schiavo case Become a Political Football?


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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 02:07 pm
Ray, PDiddie. I knew you would weigh in.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 02:10 pm
Here's another.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/tomdelay.jpg
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 02:16 pm
Another reminder, folks, in some States (or Countries) you will need more than a Living Will, you will need a Durable Power of Attorney notarized and on file with your primary physician. Check your State Law today.

Joe(We filled ours out a year ago)Nation
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 02:20 pm
Advance Politician to English translation

"I've milked this issue of the last drop of political gain, and it may even be at a point where it will backfire on me so it's everybody out of the pool and good luck and God speed uh, uh, uh, what was that girls name again?"

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/27/schiavo/index.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 02:38 pm
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 02:58 pm
Lola- Here is the link to the article:

http://neuroethics.upenn.edu/terri.html
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 04:18 pm
Poor Jeb, his God fearing decent Christian supporters are turning on him over this. He can't do anything else. He's stuck between a rock and a hard place.

These same God fearing folks are giving Judge Greer, a Christian, Conservative, Republican Baptist death threats. I'm sure Jesus is pleased.

Do I have to go to heaven with all these cranky types?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 04:25 pm
It's more like "nut cases." Unfortunately, both sides has them.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 04:29 pm
The fantastic four was a fascinating article.

The feature on Delay and his father? A little bit of a stretch to call him a hypocrite on pulling the plug. One can't know how he felt when the family gathered around his father. Perhaps he was outvoted. Glass is half full.

Finally. Reading Raspberry and Buckley in the op-ed today one can see that the conservatives are practicing damage control.Both columnists wheezed that congressional meddling was ill advised and I had to agree with Raspberry who noticed that the case isn't just about a lone woman and pulling the plug. It's about the struggle between right to lifers and the abortion on demand advocates. For as Raspberry says:"If right to lifers agreed with letting Terry expire they'd be on a slippery slope in the abortion struggle.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 04:34 pm
While the rest of the American citizens who with proper care can lead a reasonably good future life... Instead, this administration has chosen to make an issue of one life that has no future potential. If "one life is important," it seems their efforts are misguided at best. Why aren't they fightinng for the rest of America?
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 04:40 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Advance Politician to English translation

"I've milked this issue of the last drop of political gain, and it may even be at a point where it will backfire on me so it's everybody out of the pool and good luck and God speed uh, uh, uh, what was that girls name again?"l


Jeb's too green to run in '08....but he's learning.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 04:43 pm
panzade wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Advance Politician to English translation

"I've milked this issue of the last drop of political gain, and it may even be at a point where it will backfire on me so it's everybody out of the pool and good luck and God speed uh, uh, uh, what was that girls name again?"l


Jeb's too green to run in '08....but he's learning.


Jeb running in 08 had nothing to do with my post....and if Delay can't remember how he felt about honoring his dad's wishes and apply that to Schiavo...if Delay can't remember that his family sued when trying to pass legislation to stop such suits and talking about them like they're the ruination of the country, then perhaps if nothing else he's too stupid to be in a position of great authority.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 04:50 pm
blue, I came to the same conclusion about DeLay after learning from constituents in Texas that he is rather dumb. People laughed and cried at the same time, because of how he managed to achieve such a high place in our federal government.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 05:04 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Jeb running in 08 had nothing to do with my post....

Didn't imply that it did.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 05:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
People laughed and cried at the same time, because of how he managed to achieve such a high place in our federal government.

There's a couple of other guys I can think of that fit this description.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 05:15 pm
Delay and the two Bushes, in a sane environment, would be shovelling chickenshit out of cages, or doing time for petty larceny. No way they would be leaders.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2005 05:16 pm
panzade wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Jeb running in 08 had nothing to do with my post....

Didn't imply that it did.


I must've misunderstood you then. I was puzzled as why you would have made that connection. Now I know why. You didn't.
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