Has the Schiavo case Become a Political Football?

sozobe wrote:

One thing I'm happy about -- though it's more a potentiality -- is that this is the backdrop as the decision starts to be made about Cheney's "nuclear option" (no filibusters.) I think this context will make it really clear to people that we have to keep firm hold of the remaining checks and balances in the system.

I think you give "the people" way too much credit. Sorry.

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Could be, could be. What I've been hoping since the election though is that the more moderate Republicans -- and they do exist -- would go whoa nelly where is this guy taking us? and dig in their heels. There seems to be some of that happening with the Schiavo case.

We'll see.

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Asherman certainly pricked up his ears on this.
Here's hoping he's indicative of how other federalists are thinking.

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nimh wrote:

Related?

Gallup Poll and CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, 3/21-23/05 (compared to three days earlier)

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

Approve 45% (-7)
Disapprove 49% (+5)
Unsure 6% (+2)

Approval lowest since Bush was first elected in 2000.

CBS News Poll. March 21-22, 2005 (compared to last month)

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

Approve 43% (-6)
Disapprove 48% (+4)
Unsure 9% (+2)

Approval lowest since 11 October 2004 (right after the second debate)

Gas prices.

And immigration, maybe. Has been in the news a lot what with Fox's visit and all.

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Bush dropped off the scale on my approval list when he was Texas' governor.

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I guess JustW is showing us Bush has screwed up on more than just the Schiavo case.

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I think that the Bush brothers have finally shot themselves in the foot, big time. In their obvious attempt to curry favor with the fundamentalist right, they have alienated a lot of their base, including the religious who believe that the law trumps any personal religious views.

Personally, I am disgusted with the two of them. I notice that Jeb has kept his mouth shut ever since it finally got through his thick head that he could not intimidate a judge.

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parados wrote:

I guess JustW is showing us Bush has screwed up on more than just the Schiavo case.

That was known before as well, wasn't it?

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Terri Schiavo's parents will not ask a federal appeals court to reconsider its decision that left their brain-damaged daughter without her feeding tube, leaving one of their last hopes with a state judge who has ruled against them before, one of their lawyers said Saturday.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=615603

Well, the Schindler's have finally got the message. I wonder just how much taxpayer money has been wasted on behalf of the Schindler's, and their ridiculous lawsuits.

I think that what the Schindler's need to spend their own money on, is a good therapist, who will help them to deal with reality!!!!

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

I think that the Bush brothers have finally shot themselves in the foot, big time. In their obvious attempt to curry favor with the fundamentalist right, they have alienated a lot of their base, including the religious who believe that the law trumps any personal religious views.

Personally, I am disgusted with the two of them. I notice that Jeb has kept his mouth shut ever since it finally got through his thick head that he could not intimidate a judge.

Jeb can't run for Governor again. He is not running for president in '08. Dubya can't run again, so how are they shooting themselves in the foot?

I seriously doubt Congress' actions on the Schiavo issue is going to have any effect on how people vote, no matter what the polls show. Those who care enough to vote on this issue are most likely already voting for politicians with whom they agree on values issues (whether they support Republicans or Democrats on those issues).

The majority of people will not vote on this issue. Think "Elian Gonzalez".

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I agree with JW. Americans don't have the attention span to hold this against anyone.

Unless of course in 2008 there is a Swift Boat Veterans for Terri Schiavo group funded by the democrats, there should be no political fall out.

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The majority of people will not vote on this issue. Think "Elian Gonzalez".

Was Elian Gonzalez braindead? And last I looked, he seems rather happy being back with his father and family. All in all, a happy ending (IMO).

I'd say think "overreaching," "infringement," "attack on federalism," "the right to privacy," and perhaps "propoganda."

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Dookiestix wrote:

Was Elian Gonzalez braindead? And last I looked, he seems rather happy being back with his father and family. All in all, a happy ending (IMO).

Well, Elián González's maternal grandmother recently died.

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The majority of people will not vote on this issue. Think "Elian Gonzalez".

JW- I think that this issue has far greater ramifications than the Gonzalez case. I think that people perked their ears up when they realized that the entire concept of separation of powers had been muddied.

Most people do not want the government nosing into private affairs.

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I think you guys missed one of the most recent actions of Jeb Bush; he had the state department of children and protective services with some marshals to force themselves to go and pick up Terri Schiavo, but the police stopped them. According to some reports, it was a confrontation between the local police and the sheriffs, but the side representing Terri's parents backed off. They may have created a whole new constitutional issue if they had begun shooting at each other. They just don't know when to quit.

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Phoenix - I understand what you are saying. I just don't happen to think what's transpired this week or this month will be on most people's minds when they go to the voting booth in '06. There was participation from both parties, but even so, priorities will most likely point in other directions. Just my opinion, though.

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blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I agree with JW. Americans don't have the attention span to hold this against anyone.

Unless of course in 2008 there is a Swift Boat Veterans for Terri Schiavo group funded by the democrats, there should be no political fall out.

Ah, a new clown, naturally endowed with a clownish name - so much in demand on this macabre thread. Regrettably I've no recollection of voting for the gentleman in the (repulsive, btw) photograph as sole representative of 280 million Americans - must be the faulty attention span he mentions <G>

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The majority of people will not vote on this issue. Think "Elian Gonzalez".

Yep, think Elian Gonzalez. The majority of people used the same standard there. The COURTS DECIDE.

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sozobe wrote:

One thing I'm happy about -- though it's more a potentiality -- is that this is the backdrop as the decision starts to be made about Cheney's "nuclear option" (no filibusters.) I think this context will make it really clear to people that we have to keep firm hold of the remaining checks and balances in the system.

Sozobe - just so we get the nomenclature straight here:

In DC today "Cheney's nuclear option" consists of giving the Israelis in-flight refuelling capabilities for their F-16s (about 6 such required) or F-15s (only 2 required) so they can nuke Iran's - alleged - nuclear facilities.

Think before you write <G>

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In DC today "Cheney's nuclear option" consists of giving the Israelis in-flight refuelling capabilities for their F-16s (about 6 such required) or F-15a (only 2 required) so they can nuke Iran's - alleged - nuclear facilities.

I hope this is an attempt at humor.

Iran has done its best to hide the facilities, spread them out and duplicate them in other places.

"nuke" Iran? Now that is scary if Israel uses an actual nuke in the mideast. Such an act would make 9/11 seem like child's play in terms of terrorism in response to Israel 'nuking' an Arab country.

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