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Can memory be considered a sense?

 
 
Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 09:53 am
We use our eyes to see, our ears to hear and our hands to touch. Do we use our memory to sense time?

Without our memory, we would not perceive time, just as without our eyes, we would be unaware of light.

In this way, can the property of memory within the human brain be considered a sense like the others?
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Terry
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 11:19 am
I think so. Since time is a function of change, we have to be able to compare the present state to a past state to determine how much time has passed.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 12:02 pm
Hmmmmmm, dunno. Our other senses -- olfactory, sight, tactile, equilibrium, hearing -- detect changes in our environment. Does time qualify as such?

Also,

Though I think rhythm, whatever it is, is, though trainable, independent of memory, and how we sense time in small increments...
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 12:59 pm
ACTUALLY:

I was reading an article in a Martial Arts magazine (BTW: I am a fledgling Aikidoka) that stated that there are some people who belive we possess 6 senses:

Sight
Hearing
Taste
Touch
Equilibrium
Kinetic Awareness( not sure on the last one).

I myself think cognition--the ability to take data from all your senses and process them is a sense.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 01:04 pm
I think kinetic awareness refers to our ability to know where the various parts of our body are without looking or feeling for them. Coordination, it be.
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fresco
 
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Reply Fri 28 Feb, 2003 01:41 pm
"Sense" imples reception of external signals. Reception has two aspects (a) detection and (b) recognition. "Memory" is clearly concerned with aspect (b) recognition, for all our senses.
Therefore memory is not itself a sense but an active part of the overall process we call perception.
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colorific
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 11:47 am
There was an area to method acting called "sense memory" or "sensory recall" in which using a trained acute memory we can recall sensations and actually relive them. We can accurately remember how hot a coffee mug was, or the sting of a bee, the taste of frssh apple pie; how heavy a piece of metal.
There is definitely, to my mind a real relationship between memory and senses that goes hand in hand that should be consciously explored.
It is interesting to consider memory as it's own sense, but I think it is separate from pure senses in that memory contains or triggers them
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steissd
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 11:53 am
Let us use computer analogies; senses are parallel to input devices (keyboard, mouse, camera, trackball, microphone, etc.), while memory is parallel to RAM and storage (hard disk, CD, floppy drive). Memory is not a sence, it is rather a facility to store and retrieve sensual impressions.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 02:15 pm
color:

Let's go the other way as well. How a sense can trigger a memory. For example, every time I hear a certain song by Tina Turner that happened to be used as a theme song for a parade given when my alma mater won their 1st national championship, I remember a lot of information about that team.

Also, while listening to NPR yesterday they interviewed Watson and Crick (DNA guys) and one of them said that the next mystery is how our brains store memories.

Also, A2K must have eaten my post but could perception be a sense as well?
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 02:17 pm
I would have to say no;
As far as my memory is concerned, it's all "NON" sense!

And in a slightly more serious vein;

I agree with Steissd, it's peripheral.
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colorific
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 08:40 pm
definitely, senses can trigger memories (which makees them creative tools). We associate them with the experiences times and places we experienced them. Like smelling gasoline at the pump; it triggers all sorts of associations; if you smelled gasoline in your church, the association with gas stations would come up and you'd know something was out of place; but that memory from the smell would associate it with gas station
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Diane
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2003 10:08 pm
NeoGuin, kinesis is motion in response to stimulus. Not a sense, but a reaction.
There is a condition resuting from brain damage that limits memory. A person may have an experience but forget it in five minutes, or forget their address and phone number unless they keep detailed information about their lives with them at all times.
Memory probably isn't a sense, but it enriches our lives by allowing us to return to memories of sensory experiences, like remembering a beautiful sunset. It also organizes our lives by helping us remember something as mundane as our phone number. When you think of it in those terms, it is clear that memory is necessary for our sanity yet, for some people, certain memories are so debilitating that their sanity is adversely affected.
Interestingly, memory does seem to be related to time as shown in the example of the brain disorder, by keeping a chronological order of sensory experiences.
When I smell Ivory soap I am reminded of my grandmother and of the decades that have passed since her death.
Does that make sense? It is past my bedtime and I might not be making any sense. Confused
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 09:15 am
Sensory triggers;
Interesting point about sensory triggers;
Colorific mensioned "gasoline".
In the context of a service station, the odour conjures up images of important trips, friends, occassions where the use of fuel allowed for pleasant social outings; but the image of that odour in church would bring to others the terror of crosses burning, and the daily fear of being a racial "target".

With Diane's Ivory Snow soap scented grandmother, was it not the memory of her grandmother, that call up her "vision" of years passing, rather than the soap connecting directly to the passage of time?

We are, are we not, at the mercy of our senses, aided and abetted by memory!
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twyvel
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 12:35 pm
Now has no memory.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 12:57 pm
When we discuss sensory irritants triggering memory, we refer to mechanism of information retrieval. Certain conditions are necessary for this process: either free will of a person, or some sensory irritant associated with memorized senses. Well, the same happens in any computer: in order to retrieve a file from a hard disk we need doing something, for example, to click twice on its icon.
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preinfixed
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 01:02 pm
No, memory is a tool used by the senses. There is a difference. It is used in interpreting information obtained by the senses. This information then becomes a memory for use at a later day for more interpretation of senses.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 01:03 pm
Memory, surely, is not used by the senses, it stores sensual impressions as some biochemical pattern.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 06:54 pm
We are anthropomorphosizing things here;

neither memory, nor our senses "use" anything.

"We" do the using; we use our senses to ......... sense, and we use our memories to store the perceived data for later retrieval; the two may be employed together, but remain tools of our consciousness; servants of our wills.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 08:08 pm
Memory is the single most important function the brain performs but it is not a sensory organ. There are 5 sensory organs, eyes, ears, taste buds on your tongue, smell receptors in your nose, and nerve endings in the skin all over your body for touch. So you only have 5 senses, sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch. The memory records the stimuli which is constantly bombarding the sensory organs during wakefulness or consciousness. Without memory we are nothing, there is no experience and without experience there is no knowledge and without knowledge what are we?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 09:26 pm
how does memory store imputs that never occured?
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