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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 02:43 pm
@realjohnboy,
Willard isn't for the middle class; he wanted the auto industry to disappear from our landscape. That could have resulted in millions of job loss, because without the workers earning income at the auto industry, other businesses would also be impacted; consumer spending would have dropped. This is elementary Economics 101; and he's no "business man" with good insights into national employment.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 02:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,


Ci, you are saying Romney and Obama are the same,
but you give Obama a pass and hate on Romney.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 03:11 pm
@H2O MAN,
You're an idiot; show me where I said such a thing?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 03:14 pm


More denial from Ci, the uptight ignoranus.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 03:33 pm
@H2O MAN,
Can anyone imagine carrying on a conversation with spurt? I sure as hell cant. HEs a fuckin mow-ron.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 04:13 pm
@farmerman,
Formerman is bent over and accepting another liberal injection - BOHICA!
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 05:56 pm
I was wandering around some of the economic data reports today. I should follow H2O's lead and post unsubstantiated bullshit (gasoline at $5/gal by Spring? Does April 15th work for you, H2O?).
I found a report out today on the amount of "Outstanding Consumer Debt" from the Federal Reserve. The dollar amounts range around $2.5 trillion.
The data does not include anything related to real estate debt. Rather, the data includes things like consumer loans (including cars), student loans and credit card debt, all seasonally adjusted.
The percentage change in December was +9.3% following an increase in November of 9.9%. Those monthly increases are remarkably high.
By comparison, the annual rate in 2007 was +5.8% while 2008 was +1.6%. 2009 was -4.4% followed by -1.7% in 2010. 2011 was +3.7%.
I reckon it is a case of whether the glass is half full or half empty, isn't it?
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 06:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Willard isn't for the middle class; he wanted the auto industry to disappear from our landscape. That could have resulted in millions of job loss, because without the workers earning income at the auto industry, other businesses would also be impacted; consumer spending would have dropped. This is elementary Economics 101; and he's no "business man" with good insights into national employment.


There are enough circularities in that to suggest a mind having a ride in The Whip at the fairground.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 06:38 pm
@spendius,
Try to explain that in simple English; if you can?
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2012 06:43 pm
@H2O MAN,
H20man what is it that these crazy people are trying to convey to us all?

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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 09:51 am
The following may be a blip, someone more able to know these things would be able tell, but there was some good news with the deficit reported in January.

The CBO said it expects the Treasury Department to report a $27 billion deficit for January, versus a $50 billion deficit in January 2011.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 09:55 am

CBO Once Again Proves Tax Hikes Unnecessary to Lower Deficit
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:08 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The budget deficit shrank by nearly half in January compared to a year earlier as tax collections from individuals rose and outlays fell, the Congressional Budget Office said on Tuesday.

The CBO said it expects the Treasury Department to report a $27 billion deficit for January, versus a $50 billion deficit in January 2011.

The January budget gap will bring the total deficit for the first four months of fiscal 2012 to $349 billion, a decrease of about $70 billion from the same period of fiscal 2011.

The CBO last week predicted that the United States would rack up a $1-trillion-plus deficit for a fourth straight year, forecasting a $1.08 trillion gap for fiscal 2012, which ends on September 30. The fiscal 2011 U.S. deficit was $1.3 trillion.

January U.S. receipts were up about $9 billion, or 4 percent from a year earlier, largely because of higher withholdings of individual income and payroll taxes, CBO said.


source


H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:25 am
@revelette,

The CBO report throws water on President Obama’s oft-repeated argument that in order to lower the deficit, it is mathematical certainty that taxes must go up. If President Obama and Congress set spending to match its historical level of 20 percent of GDP and keep it at or below that level, the deficit would be at its historical level in 2017, and the debt would fall as a share of the economy over time. All that without raising taxes a dime. Deficits are unsustainably high because the government is spending too much, not because it is collecting too little revenue.

As the CBO report makes clear, revenue is low right now relative to historical norms because the economy is still slow to recover after the Great Recession. Low receipts today have nothing to do with tax cuts “for the rich,” as President Obama often suggests, or because millionaires and billionaires pay an effective tax rate that is unfairly low.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:34 am
@H2O MAN,
Just so you know Spurt. The CBO assumes that ALL the Bush taxcuts expire. So taxes DO go up in their projection.

Quote:
As a share of GDP, deficits drop markedly in the next few years but remain high—at 6.5 percent of GDP in 2011 and 4.1 percent in 2012, the first full fiscal year after certain tax provisions originally enacted in 2001, 2003, and 2009 are scheduled to expire.


That from the CBO report summary
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10871/Summary.shtml#1045449
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:35 am
@parados,


The CBO assumes the Bush tax cuts remain in place for all taxpayers (even families making more than $250,000 a year);
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:36 am
@parados,
Even when he's cutting-and-pasting, he's a ******* moron.

It wouldn't have taken 5 minutes to go find that info himself, but he couldn't be bothered to.

Cycloptichorn
parados
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:38 am
@H2O MAN,
"expire" doesn't seem to be in your vocabulary Spurt.

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,


Poor pitiful limp dick Cyclotroll, can't stand to be wrong as often as he is.

King of A2Ks dumbmasses: Cyclotroll
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2012 10:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I think he's resigned himself to the GOP losing in November and now is just playing "bomb thrower" to make himself feel better by attacking the "libtards."
 

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