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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2011 11:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye we need a wealthy class that can provide the risk investment funds and so on.

It just that the imbalance between that class and the rest of society had gone way too far.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2011 11:33 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Hawkeye we need a wealthy class that can provide the risk investment funds and so on.

It just that the imbalance between that class and the rest of society had gone way too far.

wrong again...the main problem is that the tail now wags the dog....the rich need to hear Gordan Gecko's words, "in America you either do it right or you get eliminated"....we are not going to kill the wealthy unless they force us to, but if they continue to use wealth to hurt us we will take it back....wealth belongs to the collective, they have only been permitted to hold it.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 03:34 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
There's no cure for stupid.


You should know ci.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 01:23 pm
Where is the US economy headed?

Quote:
The U.S. economy is staring down another recession, according to a forecast from the Economic Cycle Research Institute.
"It's either just begun, or it's right in front of us," said Lakshman Achuthan, the managing director of ECRI. "But at this point that's a detail. The critical news is there's no turning back. We are going to have a new recession."

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/30/news/economy/double_dip_recession/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2

Alrighty then, that answers that question....
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:22 pm
@hawkeye10,
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wealth belongs to the collective


So you seem to believe that anyone that gets wealthy, thru their own hard work, initiative, and "building a better mousetrap", is simply "holding" that wealth?
If that is true, where is the incentive to create something, to work hard, and to try and accomplish anything in life?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:25 pm
@mysteryman,
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If that is true, where is the incentive to create something, to work hard, and to try and accomplish anything in life?


For the satisfaction of doing things worth doing. To increase knowledge and technology for the species. To help others enjoy their lives to the maximum ability possible. To increase the chance that humanity's future will survive.

Financial gain is the lowest and least honorable reason to do anything.

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I firmly believe that we have the right to remove wealth from the wealthy at will and treat them as criminals if they refuse to comply,


You have got to be kidding!!!
You do realize that comes dangerously close to the phrase that communism uses about "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs".

And who defines "wealthy"?
What happens if someone decides that you are "wealthy" because you own more than 2 vehicles?
Do they then have the right to take one of your cars?

Or what happens if that same person decides you are wealthy because you earn more money than them?
Do they then have the right to confiscate your earnings and property?

Why dont you just go all the way and say that everyone is olny allowed to earn a certain amount every year, and anything above that becomes the property of the state?
That is what you are advocating, isnt it?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:34 pm
To me, it's this: A company has got to make a profit. It should be allowed to do so. But the workers, without whom the company would go belly up, have got to have a break also. Jobs, fair wages and good working conditions are being systematically taken from the workers to line the pockets of the very wealthy even more. There has got to be balance, so that the wealth benefits both sides.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

the rich need to hear Gordan Gecko's words, "in America you either do it right or you get eliminated"....we are not going to kill the wealthy unless they force us to, but if they continue to use wealth to hurt us we will take it back....wealth belongs to the collective, they have only been permitted to hold it.
A huge shame on you. Such an idea is not only wrong, but extremely unAmerican. We do not live under a collective economic system, but i believe we are now in a political struggle to fight against the forces of collectivism pushed at us by Obama and his fellow Leftists.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Financial gain is the lowest and least honorable reason to do anything.

Cycloptichorn
What is this,stupid post day? If a person goes to work for financial gain to buy food to feed his or her family, I would consider that to be highly honorable, wouldn't you?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:41 pm
This is interesting...

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Biden told Florida radio station WLRN on Thursday that voters should hold President Barack Obama, not former President George W. Bush, accountable for the poor state of America’s economy.

Conservative PAC American Crossroads circulated the startling statement Thursday afternoon, expecting it will take Democratic campaign strategists by surprise.

“Right now, understandably — totally legitimate — this is a referendum on Obama and Biden and the nature of the state of the economy,” Biden said.

Polls indicating that more Americans blame Bush for the economy than Obama are not relevant, Biden said.

“Even though fifty-some percent of the American people think that the economy tanked because of the last administration, that’s not relevant,” Biden stressed. “What’s relevant is we’re in charge. And right now we are the ones in charge and it’s gotten better, but it hasn’t gotten good enough.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/29/biden-voters-should-blame-obama-not-bush-for-economy/#ixzz1ZTiEKjiq

There is audio of his statement at the link.

I wonder how Obama likes the fact that his VP is saying this.
And I also wonder how those that want to blame Bush for everything will handle this?
It seems the VP is telling the truth.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:46 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Financial gain is the lowest and least honorable reason to do anything.

Cycloptichorn
What is this,stupid post day? If a person goes to work for financial gain to buy food to feed his or her family, I would consider that to be highly honorable, wouldn't you?


It is the lowest on the rank of honorable actions, Okie. It isn't dishonorable... but it's not a particularly grand reasoning behind one's actions.

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:47 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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Financial gain is the lowest and least honorable reason to do anything.


What utter rubbish. Beware of those with a honourable reason for doing good. They are sneaking in the back door with their shoes in their hands.

Most of the shares of the important companies are in the hands of institutional investors who run the pensions and welfare systems.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 04:48 pm
@mysteryman,
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I wonder how Obama likes the fact that his VP is saying this.


I doubt he minds, as he's long said that he owns the economy. Said it in several interviews.

Not that this changes the facts of the matter - Americans blame Bush and the Republicans for the bad economy almost 2 to 1 over Obama. And it's not hard to see why... we were there, we saw what happened.

Cycloptichorn
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:01 pm
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans earned less in August than in July, the first decline in nearly two years. With less income, consumers could cut back on spending and weaken an already-fragile economy.

Their lower pay explains why consumers increased spending at a slower pace in August. And most of the increase went to pay higher prices for food and gas. When adjusted for inflation, spending was flat.

Many people tapped their savings to cover the steeper costs. The savings rate fell to its lowest level since December 2009.

The decline in income offered "more evidence that households are in quite a bind," said Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist at Capital Economics.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-incomes-fall-for-first-apf-1607600365.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:03 pm
@mysteryman,
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Why dont you just go all the way and say that everyone is olny allowed to earn a certain amount every year, and anything above that becomes the property of the state?
No way, everyone should be allowed to make what ever they want, and any amount over a certain limit should be taxed at 80%. That worked very well for a long time, it is time to get back to it.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:09 pm
@okie,
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fight against the forces of collectivism pushed at us by Obama and his fellow Leftists
Obama is no where near leftist enough for me, and what you consider his leftist tendency I most likely would call his instinct to suppress freedom with government control. Obama to me looks a lot more like Putin than Marx. We are in a class war, and the wealthy are winning because they control government, much like we see in Russia. It is possible to be rich and fall out a favor with the boss (Putin) but you stand no chance of being in league with him if you dont have the Rubles. The evidence suggests that Obama is at heart an Oligarchist masquerading as a community organizer.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:14 pm
@edgarblythe,
Edgar, Spot on! Consdrvatives continues to advocate for the rich as we watch the transfer of wealth to the already rich and wanfs to givethemgreater tax cuts as our defiit grows.

There's no cue for stupid- as they keep telling us they are the ones who invest to create jobs. After three decades without any job creation they want more of the same.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
What most conservatives fail to understand is the slow but sure security of the middle class continues to deteriorate, and that the majority of all Armericans are the slowly sufferring a slow death. I'm now in Turkey where the average per capita income is $14k, but all have above standard living accommodations, and all the cities and villages we have visited are clean.

We have much to learn from the Turks.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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What most conservatives fail to understand is the slow but sure security o FC the middle class that the majority of all Americans are are sufferring. I'm now in Turkey where the average per capita income is $14k, but all have above standard living accommodations, and all the cities and villages we have visited are clean
One thing that stuck me deeply during my years in Germany was that the Germans would talk derisively about America's attachment to economic numbers, where as according to the Germans what matters at the end of the day is the quality of life of the people, and they insist that you cant count on numbers to tell the truth about that.
 

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