Where is the US economy headed?

@realjohnboy,

Promotes fairness and equality so that the collective does not blow apart, it organizes the playing field so that everyone knows what to expect, it dampens both greed and the impulse to lie/cheat so that businessmen are more likely to be worthy of respect and thus be granted the continuation of the right to hold and use the collectives wealth....just for starters.

0 Replies

@reasoning logic,

Quote:

We need to have some sort of structure or regulations but I do have to admit that there are some we could do without.

the government continues to grab for power, the rolling over the individual which has been accomplished would have been the result for the corporate class as well has they not fought back....the problem is that these guys decided that all regulation was bad, they went way, way too far. Once they corrupted government they had the ability to get most of what they wanted the end result is not going to be good.

1 Reply

@hawkeye10,

Quote:

the government continues to grab for power,

Sure seems this way!

Quote:

the rolling over the individual which has been accomplished would have been the result for the corporate class as well has they not fought back..

Who did they fight back? I would not think that they were fighting the government because they [are] or [own] the government. The corporate class has been fighting the lower class!

In my opinion we are all fighting each other, the way 5th apes fight each other because we are not able to see the future that we are creating.

1 Reply

@reasoning logic,

Quote:

I would not think that they were fighting the government because they [are] or [own] the government

The US government is serving two masters, the global corporate class and the US citizens. It has been corrupted by the corporate class but the government is not strictly speaking an arm of the corporate class. Think is, the government is supposed to be an extension of the US citizen.....

0 Replies

@georgeob1,

Yes, it's consistent, but you don't understand the reasonsfor it. It's really very basic; social security, Medicare, and medicare cannot continue on in its present course without adjusting for age and taxes while the cost of health insurance continues to increase at double digit rates every year, and we're going to start seeing baby boomers begin to retire - and collect benefits.

0 Replies

The jobs report came out positive today, and yet the markets are negative. My take is that the report has been blown off because almost no one believes it, the government has lost credibility on reporting on the economy, especially with the first numbers out.

Anyone agree?

2 Replies

@hawkeye10,

I do and I wonder if over seas markets are not willing to play are game any more. 2 Cents

0 Replies

@hawkeye10,

Is this the first occasion hawk when you have found the government's credibility wanting?

It is a shock I'll admit. I can still remember my own baptism. It was about the same time when our Prime Minister once turned up to open an exhibition in a Town Hall with his wife driving the car they had had for years. She had just pulled out of the traffic, dumped him on the bustling pavement and drove off to find somewhere to park. Nobody knew who he was until he had climbed the steps and introduced himself to the best peacock. He was trusted. I can't think of one since. TV was starting to catch on just then.

The next one who was pretty well trusted didn't last long despite him making the best joke of the campaign. I had ceased voting after one try but if I hadn't I would have voted for him just for that.

Oh--the pencil to mark the cross on the ballot paper next to the candidate of your choice was fastened to a nail in the wall by a length of string.

1 Reply

@spendius,

Quote:

Is this the first occasion hawk when you have found the government's credibility wanting

Not by a long shot, I have long believed the government to be corrupted by the holders of wealth, and over these last years I have seen how the government has gone into partnership with the Utopia builders such as the feminists and them proceeded to roll over human rights in the name of promoting human rights......so my mistrust of government is profound.

1 Reply

@hawkeye10,

Quote:

I have seen how the government has gone into partnership with the Utopia builders such as the feminists and them proceeded to roll over human rights in the name of promoting human rights......so my mistrust of government is profound.

I would be careful about labels like feminists, conservatives, liberals, democrats and so forth because I would think that they share most of the same ideas as you do but with a small twist, We just make them all out to be way different than us!

If you try very hard to ask the right questions you might find that they share most of the values that you do. Don't get me wrong because we have extremist within all of these groups and they are going to speak the loudest and that is who you will be hearing and your party will be stereotype reflecting on them!

If we could learn not to interfere in a persons private life what a better world it would be.

2 Replies

@reasoning logic,

Quote:

If you try very hard to ask the right questions you might find that they share most of the values that you do.

They dont share the most important one....that we are all equal, they prove it when they refuse to let people run their own lives.

1 Reply

@hawkeye10,

You are talking about religious or extremists. We are not all that way!
There are many of us from the groups that you may dislike that share that same value!

1 Reply

@reasoning logic,

Quote:

You are talking about religious or extremists. We are not all that way!

I am sure not, but my government is that way, and I have a problem with that! I want my freedom back, I want it now, and I will not take no nor claims that I am delusional for an answer!!

1 Reply

@hawkeye10,

I don't blame you! The strange thing is that under the right condition I bet you would impose your beliefs on your neighbors but that would be for that other thread!

0 Replies

@reasoning logic,

What is a private life rl? One where nobody interferes with ones actions I suppose if I may colour in your tautology.

It is necessary to interfere with people's private lives in a society. Liberals seem to have the urge more than Conservatives. The latter tend to restrict themselves to necessities. Liberals more for personal advancement which is understandable given the lowly station most of them start from. And for the hell of it.

That's why Liberals are always interfering. The more there is the bigger the government and more space for Liberals to fill.

2 Replies

@spendius,

I do not know exactly how it is where you are from but on this side of the Atlantic conservatism seems to be in control of our religious community and they love to vote their religious beliefs.
It seems to be psychological, if they were Muslim then we would be under sharia law! If they all drank the poison kool aid they would vote that we would have to as well!

1 Reply

@reasoning logic,

They won't do that rl. A few nutters at Jonestown notwithstanding.

They are not Muslim. If they were Eskimos they would be insulted if you didn't screw their wives.

A number of them drink bottled water in case the tap water has been interfered with. They are most unlikely to drink poison.

Sharia just means "our way".

What would they be like if they were atheists?

1 Reply

@spendius,

Quote:

If they were Eskimos they would be insulted if you didn't screw their wives.

Do you know this from personal experience?

Quote:

Sharia just means "our way".

That's what I am afraid of, is all of your ways!

Quote:

What would they be like if they were atheists?

Heaven?

0 Replies

@spendius,

Quote:

What is a private life rl

We now routinely hear the argument that there is no such thing as a private life, that everything I do is everyone else's business. We used to agree that what ever two people decided to do behind closed doors, either sexually or how they ordered their relationship, was their own business and that no one else had the right to inflict their views and values on the couple, but those days are long gone.

1 Reply

@hawkeye10,

Quote:

We used to agree that what ever two people decided to do behind closed doors, either sexually or how they ordered their relationship, was their own business and that no one else had the right to inflict their views and values on the couple, but those days are long gone.

You must be talking about before we had religion! The reason you see the harm in it is probably because you had other peoples will imposed on you.

I am not sure how we could get other people to see this wrong doing other than to use an example, "a different environment imposed on them.
Example if extremist Muslims were the majority and made Spendius abide by their rules!

That may be a poor example because Spendius may approve of their teachings.

1 Reply

Where is the US economy headed?

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know