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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 02:15 pm
The crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.

Who said this and what did he mean?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 02:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

As rjb has pointed out, it's not Obama that's holding up the FTA.


That is not true. The Obama Administration has been in place for more than two years now. The Columbian and South Korean agreements were ready for ratification when Obama took office. They shelved them due to the opposition of their organized labor paymasters. Now, embarased by their harmful effect on our economy, the Democrats have expressed a willingness to pass them only if a wasteful and expensive jobs training program is attached to the ratifications. That is the issue before the Congress today. The Republicans are opposed only to the new spending for an historically ineffective jobs training program.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 02:34 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob, This is the US; the president can't make all the decisions, and must have congress' approval. I'm sure you knew that!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 02:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From the Seattle Times.

Quote:
Congress must approve the trade agreements with South Korea, Panama and Colombia

The Seattle Times editorial board argues for the trade agreements with Colombia, Panama and South Korea, with or without special Trade

FINALLY the Obama administration is pushing the trade agreements the Bush people negotiated with Panama, Colombia and South Korea. This is good news for our trade-dependent state, particularly in regard to Korea, which buys airplanes here and ships its products to U.S. markets through ports here.

Three and a half years ago, candidate Obama was campaigning against free trade, telling workers in the Rust Belt that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was stacked against them. Once in office he abandoned this position, and good for him. He began talking about exports, and that the United States should double them in five years. It was a fine goal, but it could not be done without lowering trade barriers.

Obama sent his U.S. trade representative to renegotiate parts of the three deals to make them more palatable to organized labor. The deals were signed, but there was no move to ratify them.

Now there is, but with a catch. Under "fast track," the legislative package cannot be amended once the president introduces it. And he has made it clear that he will include Trade Adjustment Assistance. This offers better-than-normal unemployment benefits and training for workers who have lost their jobs because of competition from overseas.

Republicans in the Senate object. There is no economic reason, they say, to favor this group of unemployed workers over all other such workers. Republicans say they will block the trade agreements until the unnecessary spending is taken out.

They have a point, but it is not worth it. The cost of extra assistance is perhaps one-tenth of the value of the additional trade these deals will bring. On Korea our exporters and importers have been waiting since 2007, and their rivals in Europe now have a Korean deal and the Americans don't. Our traders should not have to wait any more. This state needs the business, the income and the jobs now.

Ratify the trade deals and argue about the adjustment assistance later.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 02:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As I understand it, the three trade agreements which both parties agree to would add something like $14BN to our economy annually. The Republican's new opposition to this revolves around the Trade Adjustment Assistance program. It goes back decades and provides retraining assistance to American workers beyond unemployment benefits affected by a particular trade agreement. In this case the cost, which would end after one year, would amount to $500Mn.
The Republican opposition here is totally driven by a desire to describe Obama as a "union paymaster." They want to see the economy falter.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 03:18 pm
@realjohnboy,
The primary problem is that the GOP is out to make sure Obama fails no matter what the expense to our economy.

What is more damning about the GOP is their fixation to make Obama look bad without any regard to jobs or our economy.

The following from the Washington Monthly last year.
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So, what's next? A measure to help small businesses -- which Republicans are also trying to kill.

Perhaps the last best hope of Democrats to pass legislation aimed at creating jobs before the November elections seemed to be crumbling in the Senate on Wednesday as Republicans signaled that they would block a bill to expand government lending programs and grant an array of tax breaks to small businesses. [...]

[W]ith some Democrats viewing the small-business bill as critical to their political prospects in November, Senate Republicans were not about to let it through easily, and have insisted on a chance to offer amendments.

Yep, Republicans are fighting against a measure to help small businesses because it's more important to undermine Democrats than it is to help the economy.


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_07/024839.php
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 03:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What would you expect? This is capitalism it allows for all kinds of corruption.
The worse they can make him look the better the chances of them convincing the people that you can not be social because that makes you a socialist and socialism is what caused all of our problems!

That is what they want you to think isn't it? They could care less that it all goes back in the box.

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parados
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 05:05 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
That is not true. The Obama Administration has been in place for more than two years now. The Columbian and South Korean agreements were ready for ratification when Obama took office

If something is ready for ratification then it is the SENATE that is the only part of the process left.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 05:09 pm
@parados,
Which party had the senate majority that first two years?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 05:21 pm
@roger,
Doesn't matter which party had the majority. That's how our congress is supposed to work; not in lock-step like the GOP.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 05:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You asked about the cost between private and Medicare. That explains it totally. Where did you learn English?

You wrote,
Quote:
But that doesn't precisely compare Medicare/Medicaid to private, now does it?


Yes, it does. You're too stupid; I'm putting you on Ignore.


Try and pretend you have at least some integrity.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 06:08 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Which party had the senate majority that first two years?

Blame Congress all you want. The Obama administration isn't Congress and never will be Congress under our system of government.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 06:58 pm
@roger,
Integrity doesn't matter to stupid people, because they don't know what other people are saying. Even with a graph showing the cost difference between private insurance and Medicare, you still don't "get it."

Until you can refute what is in that graph, you're just howling in the wind.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 08:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I used that as an example, I dont know that it is actually done.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 08:15 pm
@mysteryman,
If you're going to use an example that's not actual, you need to state such.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 08:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The GOP is playing Russian roulette with the debt ceiling. Rather than shoot themselves in the foot, I hope it hits a few of their brains.

You bet, I'm angry. Our investments will take a dive that won't recover for many years to come if the debt ceiling is not approved soon.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 10 Jul, 2011 11:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The primary problem is that the GOP is out to make sure Obama fails no matter what the expense to our economy.

What is more damning about the GOP is their fixation to make Obama look bad without any regard to jobs or our economy.


I don't detect any efforts on the part of Republicans to "make Obama look bad". They are opposing more of his useless and wasteful giveaways of public money in the interest of restraining the recently explosive growth of our public debt. He is making himself look bad without any help from them.

It is all too obvious that Obama doesn't need any help in looking bad: he is doing an exemplary job on that entirely on his own. He has shut doen oil exploration and production on the Gulf Coast and in Alaska; is working hard to stop construction of an oil pipeline from Alberta to Texas that would employ thousands and reduce our dependence on Middle east oil; he is working hard to shut down the coal fired powerplants that provide over half of our electrical power' he is stopping the Boeing company from opening a new plant they constructed in South Carolina to manufacture their new Dreamliner aircraft, just as they are in a life and death competition with Airbus for the next generation of airliners. These and other like actions are having a crippling effect on our recovery from the recent recession: we have bounced back very quickly from recent recessions. It takes a truly misguided and stupid government to so prolong a natural recovery - and we surely have one now.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2011 12:00 am
@georgeob1,
I see it differently; the stim bill helped the middle class with tax cuts, and those who lost jobs were provided with extended unemployment benefits.

I see this as an important responsibility by the feds, because it has everything to do with "security" at home.

You may see it as waste, but I don't. I see it as "the right thing to do." If we can spend billions every few days on wars half way around the world, we can certainly expend tax money to help our own.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2011 08:50 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I don't detect any efforts on the part of Republicans to "make Obama look bad".


You're out of your damn mind, George, for that's exactly their plan.

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They are opposing more of his useless and wasteful giveaways of public money in the interest of restraining the recently explosive growth of our public debt.


They don't give a **** about this and you know it. I mean, I can't think that you honestly believe the stuff you write here.

Republicans - when in control - regularly voted to add billions, many billions, of dollars to the debt. They don't care about the debt or the deficit. Your party leaders famously uttered 'deficits don't matter,' and your caucus backed them up all the way on that for the better part of this decade.

It's only when the other side gets in charge, that suddenly your party is full of deficit and debt hawks. Do you honestly think that nobody remembers this stuff? What you are claiming is ludicrous, in the face of the last several years of history, in which Republicans have clearly shown that they don't give two shits about the debt.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 11 Jul, 2011 09:32 am



Anyone that supports Obamanomics is out of their damn mind.
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