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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 08:14 am
NO, IT DOESN'T
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 04:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
ONLY IF YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON WOULD IT SEEM THAT WAY!!!!!


Recent study shows that states that raised taxes have better economies than those that cut taxes. But that doesn't stop the GOP from driving us off a cliff.
http://live.psu.edu/story/53900

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/28/111161/states-broke-maybe-they-cut-taxes.html
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 05:43 pm
@parados,
parados, We don't need universities to study the effects of high taxes; the best developed countries in the world with some of the highest standard of living has some of the highest taxes on this planet. That's proof that high taxes do not destroy the economy or destroy their standard of living.

US corporations "pay" the lowest taxes of any developed country. Many make the mistake to quote tax rates rather than actual taxes paid vs GDP.

The US tax laws are all screwed up! The government talks about simplifying the tax code, but they never do. Bunch of incompetents in Washington DC.

While they give more tax breaks to the wealthy, we are increasing our national debt. The GOP will not approve the debt ceiling without cutting expenses with the proviso that taxes are not increased. They are forcing more debt to our children and grandchildren while the wealthy pay less in taxes - and while their income increases at double-digits every year.

Brainless.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 05:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Many make the mistake to quote tax rates rather than actual taxes paid vs GDP.

I don't think it's a mistake.

Meanwhile the wealthy pay the lowest effective taxes in the last 40 years.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 05:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Can I hire you to be my economic adviser?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:09 pm
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:10 pm


Looking for a job?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:37 pm
@H2O MAN,
My guess would be that you think Obama is responsible for the economic crisis that has been effecting the world since before bush left office?

When I say since bush left office, please do not thank that I blame bush for our problems because that would make me look like a fool in my opinion!

I do have a question for you! Do you study economics?
Do you have a passion for it?
Do you study it without emotions involved?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:44 pm
@parados,
From the NYT.

Quote:

But Nobody Pays That
U.S. Business Has High Tax Rates but Pays Less

By DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI
Published: May 2, 2011


The United States may soon wind up with a distinction that makes business leaders cringe — the highest corporate tax rate in the world.


Honeywell International in Minnesota. In the last five years, the company said, about 22 percent of its profit went to income taxes.
But Nobody Pays That

A Wealth of Exceptions

Articles in this series will examine efforts by businesses to lower their taxes and the debate over how to improve the tax system.

Americans Favor Budget Cuts Over Raising Corporate Tax (May 3, 2011)
But Nobody Pays That: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether (March 25, 2011)

Topping out at 35 percent, America’s official corporate income tax rate trails that of only Japan, at 39.5 percent, which has said it plans to lower its rate. It is nearly triple Ireland’s and 10 percentage points higher than in Denmark, Austria or China. To help companies here stay competitive, many executives say, Congress should lower it.

But by taking advantage of myriad breaks and loopholes that other countries generally do not offer, United States corporations pay only slightly more on average than their counterparts in other industrial countries. And some American corporations use aggressive strategies to pay less — often far less — than their competitors abroad and at home. A Government Accountability Office study released in 2008 found that 55 percent of United States companies paid no federal income taxes during at least one year in a seven-year period it studied.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 07:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
U.S. Business Has High Tax Rates but Pays Less
It would be helpful to see a comparison of what portions of nations national government expenditures are paid for from receipts from businesses, either taxes or fees. We know that right off the bat 40% of the USA budget is put onto the kids credit card so this part is paid by no one, so I have to think that American businesses come away with a pretty sweet deal.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 07:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, The only comparison I have recently seen are percent of corporate taxes paid vs the country's GDP. I'm sure the source is available somewhere on the net, but why don't you try looking for it?
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 07:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Wonder what taxes are actually paid by individuals and businesses in Greece
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 07:31 pm
@roger,
They really don't know, because of government fraud and citizens fraud. Under their new "austerity" program, they're going to "try" to collect taxes from the middle class, the poor, and the wealthy. Since their records are incomplete, I'm not sure how they are going to enforce their new tax laws.

It's not going to happen over night; that's a given.

From Forbes.com.
Quote:
Commentary
Greece's Hat Trick: Tax Collection
Richard Murphy, 05.14.10, 02:30 PM EDT
If the tax owed in Greece was collected, almost all its problems could be solved.

One of the core issues at the heart of the Greek financial crisis is the enormous reluctance of the Greeks to pay tax. It's been estimated that the so-called shadow or black economy in Greece represents at least 30% of gross domestic product.

Average tax payments in Greece should, if tax were paid, be more than 30% of average income. So, when Greece's current deficit is running at just over 13% of its GDP it's easy to see that if 30% tax was collected on the 30% shadow economy, then the deficit would fall to about 4% of GDP overnight --very close to the target, which is 3%. In a nutshell, Greece's problems could be almost solved if only all tax due was paid.

Of course the issue is not as simple as that. No one, anywhere, at any time, has completely solved the problem of tax evasion. It would be quite unrealistic to claim it is possible to do so.
But Greece is far from alone in facing this issue, even if it is doing so at a scale no other European country suffers.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 07:37 pm
A very quick search...
From the CBO in 2008 re revenues:
Individual income taxes accounted for 45%
Payroll taxes brought in 36%
Corporate income taxes were 12%
Other was 7%

In the 1950's, corporate taxes collected were about 6% of the GDP. In 2008, the share borne by corporations fell to 2%.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 07:54 pm
@realjohnboy,
looks like total spending 3,818 billion

income from business

$198 billion corporate income tax
27 excise
28 customs
and there is 19 billion "other" which might be business
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$272 billion/3818= 7.1% of federal spending contributed by businesses.

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue.php?span=usgs302&year=2011&view=1&expand=406050104663G0&expandC=&units=b&fy=fy12&state=US&local=undefined#usgs302G0

I dont know how this plays out in other countries, but business supporting only 7% of the project should mean that business has something like 7% of a say in what the federal government does....instead of the overwhelming control as they do now.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 08:14 pm
@realjohnboy,
In graph form; corporate taxes as component.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/component-tax-revenue1.png
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 05:49 am
@reasoning logic,
My guess is that you have forgotten about what Clinton, Frank, Dodd and the rest of the free market hating democrats have done over the years. I think you are purposely ignoring all of the negative effects caused by democrats past and present.

You are the fool if you ignore the terrible results of FDR's new deal and Johnson's Great Society.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 05:53 am
@H2O MAN,
I thought the President looked a bit rattled last night. I hope my impression was wrong.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 07:03 am
@H2O MAN,
What the hell does that have to do with whether corporate taxes are lower today than at another time?

You are a fool to ignore the reality of real numbers and rely on boogie men as your only argument.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 09:58 am
@parados,
waterboy tries to use tangents to sell his bull ****. Typical.
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