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@H2O MAN,

It's the voters H2O. And the middle class, with their corrupt confetti educational certificates, and the poor, can outvote the rest.

Politicians are Pavlovian creatures.

What's your cure for the sickness?

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@spendius,

Pass and institute The FairTax Plan and end entitlement programs.
Once that is done reduce the size and reach of the feds... let the
states and private sector take care of their populations without
all of the anti free market federal roadblocks they currently face.

Take the bell away from the feds.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

It's the voters H2O.
And the middle class, with their corrupt confetti educational certificates, and the poor, can outvote the rest.
Politicians are Pavlovian creatures.

This amounts to the left buying millions of votes with tax payer money.

New Rules Would Label Millions of American Workers as Disabled

We the people need to change the rules on the feds.

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Has the Obama administration produced any of the savings promised
before they move forward with changes that you can't ******* believe?

Wall Street reform to cost agencies $1 billion in first year

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@spendius,

spendi, Those confetti educational certificates have advanced science to new levels that you use every day. You're a hypocrite of the worst kind; demonizing education that promotes your good health and living standard.

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@cicerone imposter,

Plenty of advances have been made by people that never pursued confetti.

Or are you claiming that all advances is science have been made by people with confetti?

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@H2O MAN,

That's also true, but the majority of what we enjoy today came from the "educated" class.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

That's also true, but the majority of what we enjoy today came from the "educated" class.

You may not be aware of this, but the "educated" class is now the 'indoctrinated" class.
This applies to the 40 and younger crowd and is more easily recognized the younger the individual is.

Those with strong families have been able to escape total indoctrination, but that
is hard work, it's expensive and there are fewer and fewer real families these days.

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@H2O MAN,

What is that supposed to mean? You're trying to push negativity to education? Total ignorance.

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@cicerone imposter,

I don't think you are fully aware of the low quality product our government school system
has been delivering to the federally subsidized confetti mills over the past few decades.

We aren't #1 anymore.

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@H2O MAN,

waterboy, You're very slow to learn facts about this country. Our school system has been going downhill ever since GW Bush implemented his NCLB.

This is what happens when a D student like GW Bush intrudes on our educational system.

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@cicerone imposter,

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This is what happens when a D student like GW Bush intrudes on our educational system.

You cant blame Bush for that, as I dont remember hearing much objection to NCLB at the time. The conservatives got a lot of manditory testing on the three R's like they wanted, and the left got a lot of money and new jobs created in the schools like they wanted , and the education experts got a new pet scheme for improving results that they were hot on (though had not tested all that well I think) like they wanted.....everybody was happy.

The taxpayers were not told how much this would cost of course, nor was much time spent talking about the advisability of further removing control of the schools from the local citizens and placing it in Washington. Washington was trading power for candy, as it so often does, grabbing for power over our lives while promising money that it does not have in return. And we went for it.

Saying that it was Bushes fault is revisionist history.

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@hawkeye10,

hawk, You still don't understand; NCLB was an unfunded mandate. Standardized testing was a failure before they even implemented the program, because not all children learn at the same rate by age nor do they have the same interests. That's a fact ignored by GW Bush, because he just doesn't understand these simple concepts. Many schools closed down, because they didn't meet those standards. Local schools should be the responsibility of their local school boards and parents; not the federal government.

This is another fallacy of the republicans who voice their displeasure at more government intrusion. You guys will never "get it."

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@cicerone imposter,

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This is another fallacy of the republicans who voice their displeasure at more government intrusion. You guys will never "get it."

you seem to miss the fact that I am agreeing with you on the lack of merits for NCLB and on the desirablity of local control of the schools.

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@H2O MAN,

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These reforms express my deep belief in our public schools and their mission to build the mind and character of every child, from every background, in every part of America.

President George W. Bush
January 2001

Three days after taking office in January 2001 as the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush announced No Child Left Behind, his framework for bipartisan education reform that he described as "the cornerstone of my Administration." President Bush emphasized his deep belief in our public schools, but an even greater concern that "too many of our neediest children are being left behind," despite the nearly $200 billion in Federal spending since the passage of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA). The President called for bipartisan solutions based on accountability, choice, and flexibility in Federal education programs.

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@cicerone imposter,

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May 23, 2001: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The totals were

384 Ayes........ 45 Nays....... 4 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details.

You are not tracking any senators or representatives. To see their votes here, look up a Member of Congress.
Jun 14, 2001: This bill passed in the Senate with changes by roll call vote. The totals were

91 Ayes......8 Nays....... 1 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h107-1

Neither party can run from this, most everybody voted for it...

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@hawkeye10,

hawk, Doesn't matter how congress votes; there is not such thing as the president is relieved of responsibility based on the fact that congress approved any legislation forwarded by the president. The buck stops with the president.

GW Bush and his team lied to congress to start his war in Iraq; I still blame the president.

If you've been keeping track of congress lately, I would say they are a big failure, and the polls support my contention.

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@cicerone imposter,

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hawk, You still don't understand; NCLB was an unfunded mandate

Not exactly...the Dept of Ed Primary/Secondary budget went from $22 billion in year 2000 to $38 billion it 2008....lots of candy was handed out in exchange of moving power to Washington.

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/history/edhistory.pdf

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@hawkeye10,

From the Association of California School Administrators.

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Ruling: NCLB an unfunded mandate

A federal court has ruled that mandates under the federal No Child Left Behind Act are, indeed, unfunded mandates and therefore in violation of the law.

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@hawkeye10,

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and the left got a lot of money and new jobs created in the schools like they wanted

Not true. Funding never materialized. Testing takes an enormous amount of time and money.

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