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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Mon 7 Mar, 2011 09:25 am
U.S. Decline in Global Arena: Is America No Longer No. 1?
By FAREED ZAKARIA – Fri Mar 4,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599205661000;_ylt=Au0m4M69RnktZR_kRsQOGehbbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTM0MDhhbmVvBGFzc2V0A3RpbWUvMjAxMTAzMDMvMDg1OTkyMDU2NjEwMDAEY2NvZGUDbXBfZWNfOF8xMARjcG9zAzMEcG9zAzMEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNhbmFseXNpc2FyZWE-



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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 01:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Cyclo wrote,
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I for one do have a problem with the mortgage interest deduction and ALL federal subsidies for home ownership.


That's like the wagon pulling on the horse; you can't reverse something that's been on-going taxation policy for home-buyers, because that would have decimated home buying by millions of Americans. It's good taxation policy for home-buyers, business, and the government; it encourages the right kind of capitalism where "everybody" benefits.

When we bought our home(s), we considered several issues; a) property taxes, b) upkeep of a home, c) neighborhood, d) our ability to finance the mortgage, and e) the long-term benefit of buying rather than renting.

I'm not sure where you're coming from, but it's your assumption that this taxation policy was/is a bad one. I can't put my arm around this one either!


Wanted to follow up on this. The Mortgage interest deduction is bad, because it basically gives lots of money to wealthy people and almost nothing to everyone else.

Read this -

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2011/03/sullivan-.html

It's a subsidy for the rich. A terrible policy that should be rescinded.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 03:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
But you're tying mortgage interest deduction against taxation policies which is a different issue all together. The benefit goes to all home buyers; why take away a benefit just because the wealthy can write off more by buying more expensive homes? That doesn't make any sense. The wealthy also buy more expensive cars, and pay more in taxes. I don't see anything wrong with that policy.

If you want to tax the wealth more, our government needs to change income tax policies so that the wealthy pay more in income taxes, and leave taxation policy on interest payment deductions alone.

Why do you think I was upset when Obama extended the GW Bush tax cuts to get other "favors?" You can play politics all day long, and destroy this country's middle class - and increase the national debt to a point of no return.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 03:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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But you're tying mortgage interest deduction against taxation policies which is a different issue all together.


It wasn't I who did that, but George. And his point was a valid one. However, I didn't respond the way he predicted Smile

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 03:45 pm
How are today's gas prices impacting the personal economy of A2K members?

Should Obama allow drilling for oil in this country?
Could he make it a win-win jobs program?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 05:20 pm
I found this interesting. Carl Icahn, a billionaire who manages a $7bn high- risk investment fund, is closing the accounts of customers holding $1.7bn of that.
He is sending them back their investments in full.
His rationale is that there has been an irrational increase in securities given the economic outlook for the future. He notes that the tensions in north Africa and the mid-east are scary.
Many of his investors probably shouldn't be exposed to the risks.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2011 06:09 pm
@realjohnboy,
I'm in the same camp as Mr Icahn; it's not only because of the unsettled politics in the Middle East, but all the unemployment numbers that the US publicizes lacks the real impact of the unemployed in our economy while more government workers will be laid off in the coming months and years.

The share of the US wealth is still being transferred to the already wealthy while the middle class and poor worry about keeping their jobs and buying power.

The wealthy still don't realize that as the middle class shrinks and the US debt continues to increase, their wealth will have little meaning when the US dollar takes a nose-dive. When that will be will depend on China and Japan, but they are now holding the threads that keep the US dollar above water. Our economy is more precarious than the financial pundits make it out to be with positive news about GDP growth and companies hanging onto more cash. It's all a mirage.

With the price of gas hovering over $4/gallon in most parts of California, spending on consumer goods will shrink. That's simple economics.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Mar, 2011 10:31 am
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Schumer Calls GOP Bluff On Spending And Deficits
Brian Beutler | March 9, 2011, 10:35AM

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called the Republican Party's bluff on the need for deficit reduction Wednesday, outlining a fiscal framework that involves broader cuts and revenue raisers than the GOP has proposed -- and warning that there will be no agreement on funding the government unless the GOP broadens its approach.

"A bipartisan compromise simply will not be found in the domestic discretionary spending cuts alone," Schumer said in a half-hour presentation at the Center for American Progress. Without a broader scope, Schumer said, "we won't be able to come to a compromise on a seven month budget."


Schumer's entreaty changes the frame of the debate on Capitol Hill, which for weeks has been driven by Republican leaders, who have isolated their focus to domestic discretionary spending. Democratic leaders, who are unwilling to countenance major cuts to government services, had little luck playing on GOP turf, but will now have a coherent alternative to point to when negotiations over how to fund the government continue in coming days.

Schumer noted that the GOP's plan for spending cuts does almost nothing to reduce the deficit -- a fact that runs at cross-purposes to their insistence that the deficit must be reduced.

"Right now a very small, very intense ideological tail is wagging the dog over in the House of Representatives," Schumer said. "Their fervor for spending cuts is not grounded in deficit reduction at all. Instead the far right wing has deliberately confused two separate issues. They've conflated reducing the deficit -- which is not their true priority -- with cutting government -- which is."

Schumer endorsed the approaches taken by Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, both of whom reduced or eliminated deficits by cutting discretionary spending and addressing entitlements and tax revenues. He identified achievable savings on all three flanks, including cuts to defense spending, agriculture subsidies, and a surtax on millionaires and billionaires.

"I noted with interest last week's Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, the most popular proposal to reduce the deficit out of 23 options surveyed was a tax -- a surtax -- on millionaires and billionaires," Schumer said. "It's not only a popular thing to do, it's the right thing to do."

Schumer left Social Security off the table, noting that it doesn't run into real actuarial problems for decades, and isn't a contributor to the deficit.

Republicans were caught off guard by the Democrats' new approach.

"Right now we need to crawl before we can walk, and that means finishing last year's business and complete a spending bill," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner.

Don Stewart, spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, also tried to retrain the focus on the narrow sliver of the budget where Republicans feel most comfortable. "Their answer is to raise taxes, not to cut spending, and that's not something anyone else is talking about," he said.

Schumer's presentation shifts the onus in budget negotiations on to Republicans to explain why their focus is so limited. But fundamentally, the dynamics of that debate haven't changed. One side will have to blink, or something will give -- the government will shutdown, or be hampered by a series of short-term stop-gap spending bills until the next budget cycle begins, and round and round we go.


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/schumer-calls-gop-bluff-on-spending-and-deficits.php?ref=fpa

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 Mar, 2011 11:13 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Let them shut down the feds; that'll show how extreme the GOP is in its inability to negotiate anything! All they do is make promises and threats; that's got to cease. Let's see how many conservatives are affected by the government shut-down, and continue to support their party politics.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2011 11:52 am



http://www.collapsemovie.com/
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 09:41 am
Here is a proposal to "help" the Michigan economy, put forth by the Republican governor that contradicts the idea of democracy, of self-rule, of small government. In the name of "balancing" the budget, the Governor proposed -- a la okie and ican -- taxing the elderly and the poor in order to give a tax break to industrialists. The difference in the budget? None.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53BkWfyb9n0
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 02:48 pm
@plainoldme,
Great video, A must see!

Thank you for sharing
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2011 03:44 pm
@reasoning logic,
You're welcome.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 10:25 am
John Hoefle seems to shed some light on where we have been and what we may need to do economically to correct some of our economical problems!


A interview with John Hoefle the Inter Alpha Banks

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FlZ5XE-xSQ

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS4VN5i3fL8
parados
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 11:20 am
@reasoning logic,
You do know who LaRouche is, don't you rl?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 11:31 am
@parados,
No I do not to be honest with you, it is new research info to me! Would you share your point of view with me of what you know?
parados
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 12:01 pm
@reasoning logic,
This is probably edited somewhat by his supporters...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

But some high points. -
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He was sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment in 1988 for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax code violations,

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In December 1980, LaRouche and his followers started what came to be known as the "October Surprise" allegation, namely that in October 1980 Ronald Reagan's campaign staff had conspired with the Iranian government during the Iran hostage crisis to delay the release of 52 American hostages held in Iran,


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Neighbors said they saw LaRouche guards in camouflage clothes carrying semi-automatic weapons, and the Post wrote that the house had sandbag-buttressed guard posts nearby, along with metal spikes in the driveway and cement barriers on the road. One of his aides said LaRouche was safer in Loudoun County: "The terrorist organizations which have targeted Mr. LaRouche do not have bases of operations in Virginia."


Quote:
In January 1984 NBC's aired a segment on its Nightly News about LaRouche, and in March a "First Camera" report produced by Pat Lynch. In an article for the Columbia Journalism Review in 1985, Lynch wrote that the reports included the allegation that "LaRouche was the leader of a violence-prone, anti-Semitic cult that smeared its opponents and sued its critics."[79] In interviews, former members of the movement gave details about their fundraising practices, and alleged that LaRouche had spoken about assassinating U.S. President Jimmy Carter...


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LaRouche filed a defamation suit against NBC ... LaRouche lost the case. NBC won a countersuit, the jury awarding the network $3 million in damages,....LaRouche failed to pay the damages, pleading poverty, which Federal District Judge Claude M. Hilton described as "completely lacking in credibility."[83] LaRouche said he had been unaware since 1973 who paid the rent on the estate, or for his food, lodging, clothing, transportation, bodyguards, and lawyers. The judge fined him for failing to answer.


While LaRouche and his supporters can sound rational at times be wary. Like any good conspiracy group they leave out facts and alter others to support their preconceived conclusion.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 04:10 pm
The NYTimes posted a link to an interactive site that is amusing to look at:
www.thirdway.org/taxreceipt#
The idea is that you can enter in the federal taxes you paid last year (I think it was 2010) and you can see where that money went. There is an abbreviated version along with some extended versions arranged by amount or by alphabetical order.
Bloomberg today came out with a poll showing that the public thinks we can eliminate our deficits simply by cutting spending combined with, perhaps, increasing taxes on the super rich. Spending cuts mentioned often are NPR, the liberals' mouthpiece, and foreign aid.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 04:15 pm
@realjohnboy,
PS. I note that a recent update on A2K was the "Let's make things easier for Johnboy (who bless his heart isn't too bright)" thing. In my post above, the link mentioned above got tossed in automatically. Thanks!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 14 Mar, 2011 04:19 pm
@realjohnboy,
rjb, That link doesn't work for us retired folks, because we don't pay into social security or Medicare.
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