Where is the US economy headed?

@mysteryman,

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However, the claim was that EVERY wealthy person earned their money illegally.

No, that claim was never made. Which do you want to blame: your reading comprehension or your memory?

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@Cycloptichorn,

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The funny thing is, in order to SELL their houses, someone else is BUYING them - so, if everyone is moving out of CA or other places due to the high price, who the hell is buying the houses that are getting sold?

okie's claim is from LaLa Land, which is neither Los Angeles or Louisiana (because okie will not understand the second reference, it is to the 1961 song by Lee Dorsey). Because he hates culture and doesn't understand history, he thinks everyone else does. BEcause he hates urban life and sophistication and runs from them, he thinks the rest of the world is in step with him.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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The funny thing is, in order to SELL their houses, someone else is BUYING them - so, if everyone is moving out of CA or other places due to the high price, who the hell is buying the houses that are getting sold?Cycloptichorn

I don't know, cyclops, because California is suffering an exodus. Maybe many of them are not being sold at the desired price, and maybe that is one of the reasons for the housing crisis? It seems that California is bearing its share of the bloated home prices going bust, isn't it? Or maybe they are being sold at lower prices than desired to all the illegals taking over California? You may wish to read the following, cyclops.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/archive/NATLCalifornias-Exodus.html
"California's Exodus Reverses "Gold" Rush
Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado.
With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to restart his family's future 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have sapped the allure of the place writer Wallace Stegner once described as "America only more so."
Is there something left of the California dream?
"If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."

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@okie,

People who look for gold in California are over 100 years too late.

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@okie,

okie, As I've said before, your knowledge of real estate is non-existent. The whole world is suffering from the housing market - even in high priced areas. Picking anyplace in California to try to prove your point shows your ignorance.

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@okie,

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maybe they are being sold at lower prices than desired to all the illegals taking over California?

It's all about the Mexicans, isn't it?

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@realjohnboy,

Are you denying theres a problem? You probably should read this, rjb.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm
Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually

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@okie,

To clarify what I think about this, I blame us or the federal government for not doing its job a whole lot more than I do the Mexicans that have come here. It has been dishonest politicians swearing to uphold the law, and they have not done what they swore to do. They have failed the American people. That is one of the reasons among many reasons why the Tea Party grassroots movement has become so strong. People are fed up with a government that will not enforce immigration laws. And to top it off, adding insult to injury, Obama even tries to thwart the efforts of the state of Arizona attempting to enforce the law.

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@okie,

That's funny okie. If we looked at the citizen's of Ca in the same way that study looked at illegals would probably mean that the legal citizens of Ca cost the state 10 trillion annually.

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@okie,

I also blame citizens and employers looking for cheap labor, that have hired illegals at slave wages instead of being willing to pay somebody a decent wage to do a job. Immigrants should be properly screened to meet the criteria, and then they should be treated with the full respect and honor that every other citizen receives in this country. We should not have a segment of our population living in the shadows. Unfortunately, it has been liberal policies that have led to this entire mess.

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@parados,

I will admit that I am thousands of miles away, on the east coast of the U.S. I am not a witness to the swarms of Mexicans taking away jobs and now buying up CA real estate from real people fleeing the state.
I note that the article cited, from a decidedly biased organization, was dated 12/2004.

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@realjohnboy,

My wife and I have many relatives in California, as well as Arizona, so we perhaps have an advantage in knowing what is going on. We also know what is going on in some of the Rocky Mountain States, with all of the migration of people from California coming into those states, and how real estate has been affected. This is not something made up, rjb, it is real, and it is serious.

By the way, it started years before 2004, and it is still going on. Do some googling and check out a few things, like what percentage of the prison population in California are illegals?

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@okie,

We don't even live in the areas hit the hardest, but even Oklahoma, a relative in law enforcement can tell a few stories. Even my daughter many years ago worked at an agricultural processing plant in Oklahoma, and much of the language spoken there was not in English. The company was openly hiring illegals without so much as a murmur from the authorities. All because they were too cheap to operate ethically and pay competitive wages for the jobs performed. This has been going on a very long time, rjb. As I have already said, this is as much or more our own fault as it is the illegals. They are simply doing what everyone does, looking for a better life.

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@realjohnboy,

2004? ROFLMO okie seems to forget what happened in 2008.

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@okie,

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Unfortunately, it has been liberal policies that have led to this entire mess.

This sentence from okie demonstrates:

1.) That conservatives have no sense of personal responsibility.

2.) That conservatives choose to ignore the fact that the same people whose incomes have soared -- the top 1% -- were the people who held down the wages of the real earners and who eliminated jobs so that they could take the real workers salaries for themselves.

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@realjohnboy,

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I note that the article cited, from a decidedly biased organization, was dated 12/2004.

You are on a roll tonight! That is the second post of yours that made me laugh out loud!

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@okie,

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My wife and I have many relatives in California, as well as Arizona, so we perhaps have an advantage in knowing what is going on

As I once said, it is normal for children to have imaginary friends. How big is okie's family? Is breeding the family hobby?

Also, note that while the rest of us obtain information from reliable websites, books, journals and reports, okie's information comes from word of mouth. You know, rumor?

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@okie,

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much of the language spoken there was not in English

No comment needed.

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All because they were too cheap to operate ethically and pay competitive wages for the jobs performed.

I'm surprised he didn't write: "All because everyone in the area was a liberal and they were too lazy to work."

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@plainoldme,

that's implied

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@plainoldme,

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Moving freight by rail rather than by truck must surely save resources.

Not really.
Since the local convenience store, gas station, grocery store, liquor store, or any other local business doesnt have railroad tracks to them for trains to deliver to them, how do you think the goods will get moved from the railroad to the stores?

No matter how much you dislike them, it will still take trucks to move freight.

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I have felt that the one of the worst mistakes we have made as a nation was to dismantle the national rail.

Does Amtrak know that they have been dismantled?
I bet that will surprise all of the employees.
Whats interesting is that Amtrak already operates more than 300 trains each day — at speeds up to 150 mph — to more than 500 destinations. Amtrak also is the operator of choice for state-supported corridor services in 15 states and for four commuter rail agencies.

BTW, that info comes from Amtrak, not me.

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=Page&pagename=am%2FLayout&cid=1237608345018

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Amtrak owns and operates 363 miles of the 457-mile Northeast Corridor (NEC) between Washington and Boston (a total of 1,219 track miles). Two sections are owned by others: 1) 56 miles on Metro North between New Rochelle, N.Y., and New Haven, Conn.; 2) the state of Massachusetts owns 38 miles between the Massachusetts/Rhode Island border and Boston that is operated and maintained by Amtrak. Amtrak also owns 62 miles of track between New Haven and Springfield, Mass., as well as 104 miles of track (274 track miles) between Philadelphia and Harrisburg.

That comes from the Amtrak pdf that you can link to from the page I linked to.
So, there already is a high speed corridor in use, I'm surprised you didnt know about it.

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There has been a series of documentaries presented by National Geographic on what the world will be like when the oil runs out. Unless we can turn away from the airplane and the car, and toward the ship and the train, we will be in enormous trouble

Ignoring your smart comment about my reading comprehension, I will ask you again, if we do turn away from airplanes and cars, to ships and trains, you still havent told me how we will power those ships and trains.
They dont run on nuclear power, they do run on fossil fuels.

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