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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 11:40 am
@mysteryman,
He did not say all but {most} and he does seem to be some what correct as they do not have to see labor that pays so little as one would see with the environmentally and intellectually challenged people,

But why would any of you care how they are treated at the bottom?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 11:48 am
@reasoning logic,
They hate poor people, because they are just plain lazy and nonproductive, and live off the (socialistic) government we have in the US - produced by both the republicans and democrats over the past two hundred plus years. The poor keep stealing from the rich, so they don't want them to pay more in taxes - to destroy our country from the load of debt that's piling up!

Amazing, isn't it?
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 11:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
HUH?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 11:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
It is amazing how the environment that you are subject to will influence your judgement!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 11:55 am
@JPB,
That's been the meme from people like okie. Taxing the rich is tantamount to stealing from the rich to give to the poor. Didn't you know that?
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 11:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
okie hates poor people? I haven't heard him say that.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 12:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This may help others with morality if they care to watch it.

Who else would know more about our brains than those who study them?

Neuroscience at it's best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrA-8rTxXf0
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 12:04 pm
@JPB,
He didn't directly say he hates poor people. But it's obvious from what he posts on a2k. Maybe, somebody else can explain it to you.
JPB
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 12:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Perhaps. Or, maybe the hyperbole in this thread is simply too deep for a reasonable discussion.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 12:11 pm
@JPB,
hyperbole is one problem, "delusional thinking combined with emotions of loosing what we have worked for is another!
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 04:15 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Is there any doubt about some of the leftists on this forum being a bunch of Marxists? Conservatives, pay attention to this video posted by "reasoninglogic." Interesting oxymoron for a name by the way! This Marxist loving claptrap is what lefties think is enlightening and brilliant. By the way, reasoning logic, how can you hope anyone can enjoy that crap, unless they are almost Karl Marx himself, then maybe?

In case anyone doubts what I say, here are the comments below the video:

"Devastating analysis. Make sure you watch this right through to the end. Marx makes even more sense today than 100 years ago.
bmsnz 5 days ago Socialismisdemocracy
1 week ago I am a big fan of Wolff! He tells the truth.
Socialismisdemocracy 1 week ago mattyelle1
1 month ago This has helped me understand the crisis even better. The middle-class is in the transition of become poor...just like feudalism.
The reason why we keep going down this route is because of international bankers (mostly zion-ist families), natural resources cartels (Rockefeller), and others who participate in secret societies. They plan collapse of economies, make $, finance both sides of a war, then make even more $. Governments fail, they take control.
mattyelle1 1 month ago MrSalamander7
1 month ago ******* brilliant lecture. Wolff is a great representative of Marxist Theory and Left Wing economics in general. We need more people like him."



Maybe you would prefer someone you can relate to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIL6Uw7lQhk
okie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 07:28 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
Maybe you would prefer someone you can relate to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIL6Uw7lQhk
I can relate to statements in that video where the person claims there is more freedom in China than America, and that America is a police state? You've got to be kidding, reasoning logic? You have to be?

Is China the political and economic model now that liberals and Obama seem to be gravitating to?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 07:41 pm
@JPB,
Have you been reading okie's posts? He makes an awful lots of claims without so much as facts or evidence; current or past history on economics or politics.

Did you know that according to okie, Obama is a socialist, Marxist, who's turning the US into a communist state?

Also, according to okie, Obama's friends and those he selected for his administration are also socialists and Marxists.

Obama also hates America, because Obama was a "student" and friend of the Rev Wright, and learned his hate from this "teacher." After all, Obama couldn't have attended all those sermons given by Rev Wright and not be brain-washed with his hate for America.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 07:47 pm
Lets see how good everyone is at fixing the budget.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/deficits-graphic.html

This next link is my choices and the result on the economy.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/deficits-graphic.html?choices=rm948jpd
okie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 07:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

He didn't directly say he hates poor people. But it's obvious from what he posts on a2k. Maybe, somebody else can explain it to you.
You have a vivid imagination, don't you? If I hated poor people, I would have hated our family when I was young, and I would be hating some of my relatives this very day. In fact, I am far from wealthy myself. I would not call me poor, but I am not rich, nowhere near a millionaire on paper, including my home. I do not consider myself destitute, but it is evident from your stories of vacations, that I do not enjoy the lifestyle that you apparently have. I do not take cruises, and I have only taken one trip to Europe. The rest of my traveling is restricted to in-state and adjacent states around me. We seldom eat out at pricey places anymore. Our standard fare is more like Sonic or MacDonalds, Village Inn, places like that. I am not complainin at all, ci, but just explainin to you in as nice a way as possible that I do not hate poor people.

If you want to talk about love and hate, you do not love your children by giving them everything on a silver platter, nor do you want the government to give everybody everything to prove that you love them. This subject is apparently too deep and complicated for you to understand it, ci, so I won't go any further right now.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 07:55 pm
@mysteryman,
I believe what is more interesting is how the GOP is going to cut the deficit, and cut taxes too!
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 08:01 pm
@okie,
Well, okie, ci is very capable of speaking on his own behalf, but I do know from our own discussions that he loves his children without giving them everything on silver platters, nor does he look to the government to give everybody everything to prove that one loves them. You've just made my point regarding hyperbole. It's easy to sling mud and snowballs. You guys have more in common than you realize.

Rather than sling stuff, why don't you look at the places where you agree and focus on those as a building block towards a real answer rather than continue to throw crap at each other?

Unless throwing crap is the point...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 08:03 pm
@okie,
No, okie, I said you didn't outright say you hated poor people. However, if you understand anything about inference, you would know what I'm talking about.

You say that taxing the rich is the transfer of wealth from the rich to the poor. * Wrong conclusion.

You say that the poor don't pay any income taxes, but in fact get money back. * That was determined by both the republicans and democrats. If the republicans did not agree, they could have revoked that part of the IRS code. They had many chances to do just that. They didn't.


From your many statements about taxation, the inference is without question that you have no respect or empathy for the poor - even as you claim your own family was poor.

Most people in this country who have lived through the Great Depression knows about poor. You needn't preach to us about it. Most of us also understand that many Americans are sufffering from this Great Recession, and the government has the responsibility to help them keep food on the table and shelter over their heads. That's called "security at home."

We give billions away in foreign aid every year; charity begins at home for those in need.

okie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 08:14 pm
@JPB,
You are probably correct, JPB. I think I have tried to make peace with ci in the past, but maybe I have not done it enough or in the right way. I think I have expressed this before, that even with all of his hyperbole, I think he might actually be a nice guy, and I have little doubt that he loves his kids. Understand however that it is a bit of tough pill to swallow all of his crap hurled my way about me hating the poor and how stupid I am, as his sarcasm seems to be over the top. I am willing to forgive and forget however if a better dialogue could be established.

And I find it a bit illogical when he finds my repeated accounting of Obama's friends and appointments being Marxists to be so offensive to him. I somehow find this to be surprising, given the fact that Marxists were not given the time of day a few decades ago, yet now they are being defended. I find it a bit bizarre, to be honest with you. I get the impression that somehow any criticism of Obama is just off limits to many people here, yet unmitigated hatred for George W. Bush is entirely okay.

I think the problem here between conservatives and liberals on this forum are merely a microcosm of the bigger picture in this country politically. I see it as the Left becoming bolder and more vocal about really leftist beliefs, even Marxist ones, and frankly I find this to be bizarre. I will not stay quiet about my opposition to ultra Leftist politics, and nor should any conservative here or anywhere in this country. Our very lives and our country deserve better.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 08:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

No, okie, I said you didn't outright say you hated poor people. However, if you understand anything about inference, you would know what I'm talking about.

Sorry, ci, I posted over the top of this one by you, as shown above. I will try to answer all of your questions later.
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